Italian group claims to debunk Shroud of Turin

sfgate ^ | October 5, 2009 | ARIEL DAVID

[JoeProBono]

[JoeProBono]

[JoeProBono]

[FlingWingFlyer]

I saw a show on TV once where one of these Italian guys reproduced the shroud by putting a cloth on a bronze bust and then throwing it in a pizza oven for 30 minutes at 350 degrees. I kid you not. Didn’t look nothing like the shroud but it probably smelled good while it was cooking.

[Melian]

Hmmmmm. Everyone knows that carbon dating is in question because of where they took a sample from and the fact that the shroud had smoke damage from a fire. Personally, I think there's so much that's incredible about the shroud that it's hard not to believe in it. Hence, my new tagline.

[JoeProBono]

[grey_whiskers]

Like, *PING*, Sword.

Thanks, Joe.

Cheers!

[bubbacluck]

From Isaiah, referring to the coming Messiah: "his appearance was so marred, beyond human semblance, and his form beyond that of the children of mankind"—NASB

That image on the shroud doesn't look too marred to me. If it was truly the image of Jesus, then you shouldn't be able to recognize it as human.

[Freedom'sWorthIt]

From the article...”The research was funded by the debunking group and by an Italian organization of atheists and agnostics, he said.”

Ulterior motive of this effort is of course to counter any claims that this shroud actually shows the “image” of Jesus Christ which might possibly have been caused during the resurrection “process”.....

Not that the Shroud of Turin is the reason for any Christian’s faith in Jesus Christ.

It certainly is not mine.

However, it is not beyond the scope of rational thinking to consider that the image on the shroud might actually have been formed during Christ’s resurrection which occurred in a way and through a process that none of us can comprehend.

Leave it to the Atheists and Agnostics, however, to be so disturbed by something/someone they allegedly don’t believe in to go on the attack and fund some group who want to prove the Shroud was/is a fake....

If Jesus Christ did not rise from the dead, dear Atheists, then there is no need for you to do anything. You have no need to go on the “attack” against something which you cannot prove to be untrue....no matter whether the Shroud is real or, as you so hope is true, a fake.

If on the other hand, Jesus Christ DID rise from the dead, ascended into heaven, from where He will come to JUDGE the quick and the dead....then you have a great deal to be concerned about.

I would suggest that is exactly what this is all about.

[Red Badger]

Bingo!..........

[guitarplayer1953]

So when is this group going to grow some nads and lets say prove that Mohammad did not fly away on his horse or that he was a pedophile? Na I didn't think so.

[Cloverfarm]

I think the Shroud is kind of cool, in a weird way.

But, these things bother me:

I thought first-century Jews were interred after the mourners wrapped the body in mummy-like strips and coated or even piled it high with spices. And also, the Gospels talk about a separate head cloth.

Finally, I think the figure in the Shroud looks just too Anglo — tall and lanky — to be Mediterranean.

[JoeProBono]

[grey_whiskers]

Scientists have reproduced a few qualitative naked-eye features of the shroud while failing utterly to reproduce known wet-bench chemical and sprectographic characteristics of the *actual* shroud and using materials and methods that were available in the 14th century the presence of which on the actual shroud has not been confirmed, but has been ruled out as a component of the image on the Shroud, the Italian Committee for Checking Claims on the Paranormal said.

The group said in a statement this is further evidence the shroud is a medieval forgery. In 1988, scientists used radiocarbon dating on a non-representative, patched corner of the Shroud, in violation of previously agreed-upon protocols to grasp at straws for a way to putatitvely determine it was made in the 13th or 14th century ,while neglecting other features of the sample tested, including fabric content and weave pattern, and forgetting about the presence of pollen on the Shroud found only in the area the historical Jesus lived in, and which is released in the Spring, around the time of year the actual crucifixion took place.

A major circle-jerk was scheduled to give militant atheists a break from their preoccupation with auto-fellation.

There, all fixed.

Cheers!

[jwalsh07]

Good job but it could have been done by a medieval debunker.

[JPII Be Not Afraid]

"But Peter got up and ran to the tomb, bent down, and saw the burial cloths alone; then he went home amazed at what had happened." Luke 24,12 NAB I have always believed this referenced the shroud. What in the tomb would have left him amazed at what had happened? They could have stolen the body, as far as he was concerned, but the burial cloths told the story, which left him amazed. Well, this is my belief anyways. My faith does not depend on this being real or not. I believe in Christ because he is real, not because of an object. But you have to admit it is pretty cool.

[Swordmaker]

Another article on the Italian "scientist" who claims to have "duplicated" the Shroud of Turin—PING!

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[HiTech RedNeck]

It’s an old saw by now, but I’ll say it again anyhow.

Whether or not the Turin shroud image represents a genuine supernatural event, we would all do well to remember to revere and put our trust for needed eternal salvation in the Savior, recorded for all posterity in the Bible, that many say the Shroud depicts.

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