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Chode ^ | 8/5/2009 | Chode

Posted on 08/05/2009 7:57:45 PM PDT by Chode

This will be a general purpose thread for F1 news and pings that really don't require a thread of their own.


TOPICS: Sports
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I’ve got three different sources claiming the teams’ meeting scheduled for today with the FIA over the clever compression ‘trick’ Mercedes and Red Bull/Ford are using has concluded. The upshot is that the FIA has reiterated that so long as the Merc and RBR engines pass the room temperature compression check, they are within the bounds of the TR and they WILL NOT ban the use of the ‘trick.’

One source claims there was discussion about a new rule mandating real-time compression testing to be monitored during the event but it did not receive “consensus.” Not surprising considering there are 11 teams on the grid and six of them will be running either Mercedes or Red Bull/Ford engines.

The option remains open to file a formal protest but that can’t happen until the first event. And even then they have to be able to describe with a certain degree of specificity what it is they’re protesting. They can’t just say, “We’re protesting because the Mercedes engine makes too much power,” they have to describe functionally what it is they’re protesting, and how that contravenes the TR. And that can’t happen until they figure out how it’s being done, or somebody who’s “in the know” spills the beans.

The frontrunner for guessing how it works is that something makes the piston extend further into the combustion chamber. I figure it makes a difference of about 0.37mm in “stroke” to get from 16-to-1 to 18-to-1 (in an 80x53 cylinder) but I’m not convinced it’s that simple.

https://www.gpblog.com/en/exclusive-news/no-fia-intervention-mercedes-and-red-bull-engine-trick-not-banned

https://www.f1oversteer.com/news/the-fia-have-sent-a-letter-to-mercedes-that-may-have-ended-ferraris-2026-f1-title-hopes/

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/what-has-been-agreed-f1-2026-engine-meeting-compression-ratio/


7,001 posted on 01/22/2026 11:31:07 AM PST by Paal Gulli
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To: Paal Gulli

F1 is well on it’s way to College Football Status.


7,002 posted on 01/22/2026 3:57:58 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

“F1 is well on it’s way to College Football Status.”


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College football is REAL unlike the NFL


7,003 posted on 01/23/2026 4:54:14 AM PST by BBB333 (The Power Of Trump Compels You!)
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To: Paal Gulli

Once upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered, weak and weary,

Over many a quaint and curious volume of FIA lore,

Recalling my seven championships in days of yore,

While my nappy head nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping,

As of some one gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door. “

“’Tis some Verstappan fan,” I muttered, “tapping at my chamber door—

Only this, and nothing more.”
.

Back into the chamber turning, all my soul within me burning’ wanting for my eighth title in the fore,

Soon again I heard a tapping somewhat louder than before.

“Surely,” said I, “surely that is something at my window lattice,

“Something like a Verstappen fanish,

Let me see, then, what thereat is, and this mystery explore—

Let my heart be still a moment and this mystery explore;—

‘Tis just me breaking wind and nothing more.”

.
Open here I flung the shutter, when, with many a flirt and flutter,

In there stepped a stately Racer of the saintly days of yore.

Not the least obeisance made he; not a minute stopped or stayed he;

But, with mien of lord or lady, perched above my chamber door—

Perched upon a bust of Fangio just above my chamber door—

Perched, and sat, and nothing more.

.

But the Racer, sitting lonely on the placid bust, spoke only

One word, as if his soul in that one word he did outpour.

Nothing further then he uttered—not a feather then he fluttered—

Till scarcely more I muttered, “other friends have flown before—

On the morrow I will begin my eighth championship season

As my hopes have flown before.”

Then the Racer said, “Nevermore.”

.

And the Racer, never flitting, still is sitting, still is sitting

On the pallid bust of Fangio just above my chamber door;

And his eyes have all the seeming of a demon’s that is dreaming,

And the lamplight o’er him streaming throws his shadow on the floor;

And my championship season from out that shadow that lies floating on the floor

Shall be lifted—nevermore!


7,004 posted on 01/23/2026 5:07:17 AM PST by BBB333 (The Power Of Trump Compels You!)
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To: BBB333

I may watch the last 5 minutes if it’s close.


7,005 posted on 01/23/2026 5:38:52 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: BBB333

That used to be true. College football has gone down the toilet. It’s turned inton second rate pro league.


7,006 posted on 01/23/2026 5:40:53 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Well, in NCAA division AA football it’s a really good game.

My local team (and one of my two alma matters):

https://www.ncaa.com/live-updates/football/fcs/montana-state-wins-2025-26-fcs-football-national-championship-overtime-thriller


7,007 posted on 01/23/2026 5:58:55 AM PST by BBB333 ((The Power Of Trump Compels You!))
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To: Paal Gulli
Metals are subject to thermal expansion and contraction. The test was defined and MB passed the test. Truth be told all F1 engines expand (tighten up) when subjected to higher (think running) temperatures. So if a higher temperature point is used I would speculate that most if not all team’s engines would have a higher compression number due to thermal expansion. May be slight, but still about the compliance level. So the teams are complaining that two teams comply with the spec, but not the spirit. That just begs the question, what is the limit under the spirit of the standard? Where would I find that number?

Boys, welcome to racing. You got out smarted! The vaunted Euopean bureaucracy group think missed that one in the standards. Too bad F1 is not run like NASCAR, “that car maybe legal today, but tomorrow it will not be legal…. “

just another example of there’s more action off the track than on the track somedays…..

7,008 posted on 01/23/2026 7:15:33 AM PST by Lockbox (politicians, they all seemed like game show host to me.... Sting)
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To: All

Predictions of doom and gloom notwithstanding, The Ferrari SF-26 was debuted today — as scheduled — at Fiorano, with Hambone at the wheel.

Short video of same here:

https://www.planetf1.com/news/watch-lewis-hamilton-completes-first-ferrari-sf-26-laps-at-fiorano-shakedown

Ted Kravitz take on the proceedings here:

https://www.f1oversteer.com/news/ted-kravitz-noticed-one-thing-straight-away-during-lewis-hamiltons-first-lap-in-2026-ferrari-car/

Gary Anderson’s analysis of the car here:

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/gary-andersons-take-on-ferraris-basic-2026-f1-launch-car/

(I wouldn’t have created a new post just for this but ... ) This comes from Ralf Schumacher, so consider this the source. Ralfie says to shut up Hambone’s kvetching, Ferrari has created a Hambone-spec car and a Leclerc-spec car, and will be developing both for the immediate future. I’ve read that same comment from other sources so that much at least I believe to be true and correct.

What is speculative is Ralfie claiming this will be the ruin of Ferrari’s 2026 season because their efforts necessarily are divided. And since both manpower and cash (and all other resources) are limited by F1’s regs, neither car can be developed to the same extent as the teams who only have a single spec car.

Which makes perfect sense to me.

https://www.f1oversteer.com/news/ralf-schumacher-already-hearing-about-2026-ferrari-disaster-as-worrying-testing-theory-emerges/


7,009 posted on 01/23/2026 8:40:45 AM PST by Paal Gulli
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Williams is not going to make the preseason testing at Barcelona. Developmental problems.

https://www.independent.co.uk/f1/williams-f1-2026-test-barcelona-car-b2906431.html

https://www.f1oversteer.com/features/james-vowles-has-already-broken-one-promise-to-williams-f1-fans-as-barcelona-absence-confirmed/

The thing that bothers me most about the FIA turning F1 into ‘spec’ racing, and the YUGE gaps in performance that their gerrymandered rules structure creates, is the wasted talent. And problems like this make me sad for Carlos Sainz, because he’s one of the great talents being wasted.

The racing was better back when the teams spent every cent they could get their hands on, the cars burned unlimited dead dinosaurs, teams went through half a dozen engines in a weekend, and 30% of the field DNF’d at every event.


7,010 posted on 01/23/2026 8:54:08 AM PST by Paal Gulli
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To: BBB333
That is too funny.
7,011 posted on 01/23/2026 9:45:07 AM PST by Paal Gulli
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To: Paal Gulli
The frontrunner for guessing how it works is that something makes the piston extend further into the combustion chamber. I figure it makes a difference of about 0.37mm in “stroke” to get from 16-to-1 to 18-to-1 (in an 80x53 cylinder) but I’m not convinced it’s that simple.

I had a Honda four stroke single cylinder motorcycle that had a trick for reducing compression when kick starting. When you used the kick starter, a linkage delayed the closing of the intake (or maybe exhaust) valve during the compression stroke, thus lowering the compression and making it easier to kick over. Once the kick starter got to the bottom of its travel the intake valve would close fully, allowing the engine to run.

Instead of some complicated system that moves the piston closer to the head, a simple heat-controlled mechanical intake valve timing mechanism could be used to keep the intake valve open during part of the compression stroke, thus reducing the compression ratio.

Then when the engine reached operating temperature, the intake valves would close sooner, thus effectively increasing the compression ratio.

I have no idea what Red Bull and Mercedes' trick is, but something to do with valve timing would be my guess.

7,012 posted on 01/23/2026 11:26:41 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Paal Gulli

YOU and your post made me do it!


7,013 posted on 01/24/2026 5:47:23 AM PST by BBB333 ((The Power Of Trump Compels You!))
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To: BBB333
That is too F1'n funny!


7,014 posted on 01/24/2026 5:55:24 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary?)
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"...something to do with valve timing would be my guess."

TR 5.10.2:
Variable valve timing and variable valve lift profile systems are not permitted.


It can't be as simple as the piston or con rod expanding because the piston would have to expand sideways as well as vertically, which would mess up cylinder wall clearance.

And the con rod still has to mate with the wrist pin and crank journal bearings, and abnormal expansion would mess that up.

Piston, con rod and crankshaft all have to be machined from a single billet, so it can't be one area expanding more than the rest.

And all must be made from iron/ferrous material except the con rod, which alternatively can be titanium. So no high-expansion exotics.

It's probably something so simple and obvious we'll all do the polish salute when the how of it finally leaks out.


(Polish salute)

7,015 posted on 01/24/2026 1:34:28 PM PST by Paal Gulli
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And oh by the way, Williams is missing Barcelona because their chassis can’t pass the crash test. And now it’s announced that Aston Martin will be late for Barcelona for the same reason, and might miss it, too.


7,016 posted on 01/24/2026 1:36:45 PM PST by Paal Gulli
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To: Paal Gulli

McLaren has announced it also will be absent from the five days testing authorized at Barcelona, but they’re claiming this is was planned to give them one day’s extra development time.

In truth, that’s smoke-and-mirrors, a difference without a distinction, because whether this was planned or not it still means they’ve run out of time and aren’t prepared to participate in the opening day of the testing, which is tomorrow, 26 Jan., same as Williams and Aston Martin.

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/13498295/f1-pre-season-testing-2026-mclaren-boss-andrea-stella-explains-why-his-team-wont-feature-on-monday-in-barcelona


7,017 posted on 01/25/2026 8:06:30 AM PST by Paal Gulli
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To: Paal Gulli

Would you imagine it’s a foreshadowing of what your season will be like when your top driver steps in dog poo during testing?

https://x.com/Cl16__FanpageFr/status/2014706460173746582

Or is this merely karma, considering the same driver let his puppy poop in the paddock last year (and he wasn’t prepared to clean it up)?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Dp9g7NzIZwg


7,018 posted on 01/25/2026 8:15:55 AM PST by Paal Gulli
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This allegedly is the first video of the active aero in use.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLhdmxpO37Q

It’s Hambone at the wheel and you had to see this coming. The F1 press were all like, “Oh Praise Jesus, ... Hambome moved the active aero! HALLELUJAH!”


7,019 posted on 01/25/2026 8:41:55 AM PST by Paal Gulli
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Sorry about the images. Foggy day at Fiorano, and the videographer was one of those (far too numerous) idiots who hasn't discovered that landscape orientation is almost universally preferable to portrait (translation: Turn the #$!@*@$ phone SIDEWAYS!).

From what's shown on this video it appears that the flaps can be deployed independently or as a pair. When deployed together (as in these images), the rear closes before the front. I read discussions about getting the timing so the transition doesn't disrupt car stability and adding aero drag to the rear of a moving object (behind the CG) increases longitudinal stability, which lessens the tendency to swap ends. Plus, when you slam on the brakes on an F1 car, there's a YUGE weight shift to the front wheels, which can make the rear loosey-goosey. So the rear wing closes first, causing the Center of Aerodynamic Pressure to move rearward and increasing longitudinal stability.

There's no "opening as a pair" shown in this video but the closing sequence takes tenths of a second, maybe as much as half a second from when the rear flaps start closing until the front flaps finish closing. I'm pretty sure the sequence was automated and not reliant on the driver's timing because he's already got enough to do and they're certain to have spent lots of brain cells determining the optimal timing.

7,020 posted on 01/25/2026 11:20:09 AM PST by Paal Gulli
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