Posted on 07/29/2009 10:42:06 PM PDT by MissTickly
Ah, but the governor does not have statutory authority over Obama’s Vital Records. Fukino does.
“The Governor of Hawaii took an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States, above, and before all else.”
It all started falling apart in March 2008. By April it was over. It was a sight to behold.
Consider this thought:
If we can get the folks in Hawaii to say that they determine ‘a person’ is a Natural Born Citizen in part by looking at BOTH parents citizenship, we know Obama lied about who his real father is. Or was mistaken.
Interesting and not impossible to have them answer that question as long as it is phrased like this:
“How does the department determine a person is a Natural Born Citizen.”
You cannot refer to Obama, at all, when you ask the question.
I implore people to try to get this answer from Janice Okubo.
You’re very welcome!
If this is true, the same can be said of McCain.
“Hillary should have stood up for her country and fought against the tactics being used agaist here. Sadly her loyalties lies elsewhere. “
http://gen.doh.hawaii.gov/sites/har/AdmRules1/11-123.pdf
“Original birth certificate” means the first birth certificate prepared and filed for the adopted person at birth or before the adoption.
“Supplementary birth certificate” means a new birth certificate prepared by the department of health upon receipt of a certified copy of an adoption decree or an abstract of it called the certificate of adoption. [Eff. FEB 19 1981]
(Auth: HRS Secs. 321-9, 338-2) (Imp: HRS Secs. 338-20, 578-14)
Therefore a legitimate question for Janice Okubo (E-mail: janice.okubo@doh.hawaii.gov) is
“Is the Director of Health for the State of Hawai’i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, able to state they have verified that the Hawai’i State Department of Health has President Barack Obama’s supplemental birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures?”
(due credit to MissTickly and to TexasDarlin's TD Blog here http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2009/07/28/why-cant-hawaii-officials-get-their-story-straight/)
Or we could all ask O Really since he said he’s seen hem. /sarc
Perfect. I will send this question to her now. Thank you!
I would love it if you would send it to her too. I won’t post her email address but it is simple to find.
Already did. Also I took the liberty of putting Ms. Okubo's official public email address in my response above for the convenience of others (as of now it has not bounced).
But you really did all the hard lifting on this. :-)
It’s all hands on deck to get this riddle solved!
Thanks again! Please keep me posted on anything you might find out.
Wait!
Maybe the question is this:
“Is the Director of Health for the State of Hawai’i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, able to state they have verified that the Hawai’i State Department of Health has President Barack Obama’s SUPPLEMENTARY birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures?”
Please help me email her this question, too.
Sure. But either way, I do believe they should get the gist of the question and be able to respond to it (if they choose to respond at all).
I didn’t see this one.
Yes, please resend anyway. I want to cover all bases. They parse words well in Hawaii.
Thanks for resending!
John McCain is NOT a natural born citizen. He is just a citizen, as his parents were both citizens.
He was born in the city of Colon, the Republic of Panama. A natural born citizen is born in the country of whihc his/her parents citizens.
I want to wish you luck with this endeavor. But to be frank I suspect they are on to you and will stop answering queries.
The Democratic Party is up to its neck with helping Obama hide who he is.
IF he is indeed a foreign national and Democratic Party officials knowingly aided in his election, they will be guilty of treason. That is a capital crime.
This can become dangerous very quickly.
If I could prompt them to finally verify he is a NBC—and I am certain I did. Who knows what I can accomplish next!
Barack Obama’s father was a British subject and thus his son cannot be a natural born citizen of the U.S.
To be a “natural born citizen” one’s parents must both be citizens (native born or naturalized, it doesn’t matter which) AND one must be born within the nation of one’s parents.
The term natural born citizen was first codified in writing in colonial reference books in 1758, specifically in the legal reference book “Law of Nations.”
That legal reference book was used by John Jay, who later became the first Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court. Jay requested the clause be inserted into the Constitution via a letter he wrote to George Washington, the leader of the Constitutional Convention.
Jay, considered the outstanding legal scholar of his time, was responsible for inserting that term into the U. S. Constitution, a term derived from the Law of Nations.
The Law of Nations was written by Emmerich de Vattel. He was a Swiss jurist who attained world preeminence in international law. This fame was primarily the result of his great foundational work — The Law of Nations — which he published in 1758. This monumental work applied a theory of natural law to international relations.
De Vattel’s Law of Nations was THE primary reference and defining book used by the framers of the U. S. Constitution. It is really not possible to overstate the influence of de Vattel’s Law of Nations as the primary reference book in the drafting of the U. S. Constitution.
The Law of Nations is almost beyond comparison in its value as a defining document regarding U. S. Constitution intent and interpretation. The Law of Nations, or the Principles of Natural Law, published in 1758, is the first, and ONLY, definitive work the Framers of the U. S. Constitution used for the inclusion of the “Natural Born Citizen” phrase. It nails what is meant by the “natural born citizen” phrase of Section 1, Article 2, of the U. S. Constitution.
“…natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society can not exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as a matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. THE COUNTRY OF THE FATHERS IS THEREFORE THAT OF THE CHILDREN.”
Rep. John Bingham of Ohio, considered the father of the Fourteenth Amendment, confirms that understanding and the construction the framers used in regards to birthright and jurisdiction while speaking on civil rights of citizens in the House on March 9, 1866:
” ... I find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents (plural, meaning two) not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen...”
Bingham is also quoted saying in the Spring of 1868 some serious warnings:
“May God forbid that the future historian shall record of this day’s proceedings, that by reason of the failure of the legislative power of the people to triumph over the usurpations of an apostate President, the fabric of American empire fell and perished from the earth!...I ask you to consider that we stand this day pleading for the violated majesty of the law, by the graves of half a million of martyred hero-patriots who made death beautiful by the sacrifice of themselves for their country, the Constitution and the laws, and who, by their sublime example, have taught us all to obey the law; that none are above the law...”
As you can easily understand after reading this, neither Barack Obama nor John McCain were eligible to be President under Section 1, Article 2, of the U. S. Constitution (McCain was born in the city of Colon, Republic of Panama, and Obama’s father was a British subject). Because of McCain’s status the Republicans couldn’t make a complaint about Obama’s lack of eligibility.
FYI, both men accepted large cash donations from George Soros, who is determined to destroy this nation. A first step to achieving that aim is to render the Constitution a useless rag.
I agree with this definition but have you considered this:
Obama has lied or was mistaken about his father being Barack Hussein Obama Sr.
His REAL father may well have been a US Citizen. We have no confirmation on who his father is.
And if this is true, his real name may not have been on any ballot in any of the 50 states.
Furthermore, I have a sent the following to Ms. Okubo to find out if it is impossible that his father was Obama Sr. a Kenyan/British Citizen:
-—Ms. Okubo-
Under the Uniform Information Practices Act of the State of Hawaii, “...the people are vested with the ultimate decision-making power. Government agencies exist to aid the people in the formation and conduct of public policy. Opening up the government processes to public scrutiny and participation is the only viable and reasonable method of protecting the public’s interest. Therefore the legislature declares that it is the policy of this State that the formation and conduct of public policy—the discussions, deliberations, decisions, and action of government agencies—shall be conducted as openly as possible.”
Please send me an electronic copy of the written criteria, that must be satisfied, by which the Hawaii Department of Health determines that a person, whose vital records they have statutory authority over, is a natural-born American citizen.
Please consider this request as a Hawaii UIPA (Uniform Information Practices Act) request under section 92F-12.—
Could an adoption by his grandfather when he returned to the US have amended his original certificate showing that he is now the son of an American Citizen: Stanley Dunham
And could this have afforded him the same rights of a child that is biological to his/her parents?
Maybe.
I don’t care that you are a liberal/feminist/progressive. Good info and necessary. If this goes as deep as it seems to be, we are ALL gonna pay regardless of what our political leanings are.
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