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The Clinton Surplus Myth
http://www.craigsteiner.us/articles/16 ^

Posted on 07/21/2009 8:13:38 PM PDT by chevydude26

I am sick and tired of people saying that clinton had a surplus. I hear joe scarbough make this point everytime and Hannity today not refuting it correctly

Granted the deficit with the republican congress was at its best its been in decades in that time period with the deficit going as low as 17 billion but then shooting up to like 120 billion the next year though but clinton fudged up the numbers and took from the social security fund to make it seem like deficits were low...the debt went up every year under clinton

so the next time a lib makes this claim ...show them this link


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1 posted on 07/21/2009 8:13:38 PM PDT by chevydude26
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To: chevydude26

i actually found out about recently, but bush deficit number isn’t as low as it seem too. What happens, is alot of supplementals aren’t included in the final reported deficit numbers. So you could report $100 billion deficit but with supplemental funding, it could actually be $400 billion.

The way to correctly look at this is to look at the debt level each year. Thats the true number


2 posted on 07/21/2009 8:22:04 PM PDT by 4rcane
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To: 4rcane

at any rate, anyone know how much the debt level actually increased for 1999 and 2000


3 posted on 07/21/2009 8:24:30 PM PDT by 4rcane
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To: 4rcane

yep....i agree...

we never really had a period of low taxes and low spending right?


4 posted on 07/21/2009 8:25:33 PM PDT by chevydude26
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To: chevydude26
The website for the National Bureau of the Debt has been out in the open all along and has clearly shown that there never was a year of surplus in the 1990's. Currently however, the Obamites have f*ed with the website and it does not have the simple clear tables it used to have. More obfuscation and revision of history in the making.
5 posted on 07/21/2009 8:25:51 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: chevydude26

The “Clinton” surplus was caused because the Gingrich lead House of Representatives pushed hard for spending cuts. There was quite a big fight about it at the time. It’s odd to hear people continually talk about a given president as if he runs the country all on his lonesome - as if we elect a dictator every 4 years.


6 posted on 07/21/2009 8:30:29 PM PDT by eclecticEel (The Most High rules in the kingdom of men ... and sets over it the basest of men.)
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To: chevydude26
This guy is exactly right. Debt increased every year under Clinton

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Debt to GDP did fall under Clinton for exactly the reason given...the economy grew at a rapid rate.

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But a large portion of that growth was the dotcom bubble, when it popped, revenue fell.

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The only real cuts Clinton made was to defense spending....that worked out real well.

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Clinton's "surplus" was always a bunch of crap.

Thanks for the post....I bookmarked it.

7 posted on 07/21/2009 8:36:08 PM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: 4rcane

to be fair and objective, both clinton and bush’s economy sucks. They’re both bubble economies, that was built by printed money. The increase in stockmarket prices masked the reality. US dollar dropped 30%. So US lost almost 30% purchasing power during Bush’s term. So even if you were making 5% return in USD term, you were still down in real term


8 posted on 07/21/2009 8:52:22 PM PDT by 4rcane
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To: 4rcane

Back then I didn’t know whats the difference between nomiminal and real value e.g today I get paid $1000/week. Next year, I get paid $2000/week. To most ppl, you’ll think wow, I made alot of money, but money realitive to what? If your salary double, but everything else double in price, you haven’t really gained anything


9 posted on 07/21/2009 8:55:27 PM PDT by 4rcane
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To: chevydude26

Clinton was never interested in cutting the deficit (the year to year shortfall in the federal budget as opposed to the debt, which is the running cumulative shortfall in what is owed vs what is anticipated in revenue) - remember that famous montage of Clinton statements: “We could cut the deficit in two years - we might eliminate the deficit in eight years - we don’t have to worry about the deficit” etc etc - only when ‘pubs took power and forced him to bring it down did it actually shrink...and much of that was due to the cutting of defense spending under the assumption we no longer needed a big military budget -the so-called “peace dividend”...one reason Bush’s spending shot up so much was the need to restore defense cuts made by Clinton, especally after 9/11......


10 posted on 07/21/2009 9:00:42 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Intolerant in NJ
During the Clinton years Robert Reuben converted and sold several treasury bond issues to make them payable from 2005 to 2007. By doing this the economy under Clinton looked better than it really was. But in turn it was a ticking time bomb for the next President. At the same time this appearance of flush times made it easier for congress and wall street to fly high.
11 posted on 07/21/2009 9:26:04 PM PDT by Wooly
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To: 4rcane

In 2000, it increased $17 billion.


12 posted on 07/21/2009 9:33:42 PM PDT by Hoodat (For the weapons of our warfare are mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.)
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