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To: Congressman Billybob

So what if he has a different father. It’s his mother who was a citizen. That’s not in dispute. I guess this is about the location of birth. But if his mother was an American citizen (matriarchal) what’s the point? As I wrote earlier, if and when a conservative seems plagued by a similar issue it will have been rendered moot by this.

(God, I can’t believe I’m actually defending this bastard.)


38 posted on 07/06/2009 7:35:26 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: onedoug
I'm not saying that a different father would disqualify him. But proof that anyone could see that “Dreams of My Father” was a fraud might have clipped his ambitions.

John / Billybob

40 posted on 07/06/2009 7:54:14 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (www.AmericasOwnersManual.com)
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To: onedoug
But if his mother was an American citizen (matriarchal) what’s the point?

The Constitution and the laws of the United States. If he was born outside the US, his parents were married, and given his mother's age, then he was not born a US citizen, irregardless of where outside the country he actually was born.

67 posted on 07/07/2009 5:36:30 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: onedoug
Doug, out of respect for you I will make this as neutral as I can.

1) The Constitutional requirement for the job must be upheld else the contract between we the people and the federal oligarchs is abrogated (via denied standing to question the affirmative action bastard).
2) We have no actual proof that Stanley Ann Dunham is in fact his biological mother since there is no valid BC to refer to and follow up on.
3) If Barry were Stanley Ann's child and born in Canada or Kenya, he would not be a U.S. citizen.
4) If Barry Soetoro used his Indonesian or Kenyan citizenship to obtain college tuition help or a passport, he has exhibited the very sort of divided loyalties the founders appear to have been trying to eliminate with the Constitutional requirement of 'natural born citizen'.
5) When we the people are willing to set the Constitution aside for an affirmative action hire, we have opened the door to be usurped and will live under a Constitutional Republic no longer.

97 posted on 07/08/2009 12:31:47 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: onedoug

I’m surprised you’re defending him, too.

Obama does not meet the eligibility requirements for the U.S. presidency.

The term natural born citizen was first codified in writing in colonial reference books in 1758 in the legal reference book “Law of Nations.”

That legal reference book was used by John Jay, who later went on to become the first Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court. Jay had the clause inserted into the Constitution via a letter he wrote to George Washington, the leader of the Constitutional Convention. Jay was considered the outstanding legal scholar of his time and he was the one is responsible for inserting that term into the U. S. Constitution, which was derived from the Law of Nations.

Emmerich de Vattel was a Swiss jurist who attained world preeminence in international law. This was primarily the result of his great foundational work — The Law of Nations — which he published in 1758. This monumental work applied a theory of natural law to international relations.

De Vattel’s Law of Nations was THE primary reference and defining book used by the framers of the U. S. Constitution. It is really not possible to overstate the influence of de Vattel’s Law of Nations as the primary reference book in the drafting of the U. S. Constitution. Emmerich de Vattel’s Law of Nations is almost beyond comparison in its value as a defining document regarding U. S. Constitution intent and interpretation. The Law of Nations, or the Principles of Natural Law, published in 1758, is the first, and ONLY, definitive work the Framers of the U. S. Constitution used for the inclusion of the “Natural Born Citizen” phrase. It nails what is meant by the “natural born citizen” phrase of Section 1, Article 2, of the U. S. Constitution.

It is amazing how perfectly, precisely, and explicitly what Emmerich de Vattel, wrote in paragraph 212, of book 1, chapter 19, of The Law of Nations entitled CITIZENS AND NATIONS, applies to the Obama FRAUD. Quite clearly and explicitly it defines why Obama, can NOT possibly be qualified to be the President of the United States. Obama MUST be disqualified from the office of President of the United States according to the U. S. Constitution Section 1 Article 2.

“The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society can not exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as a matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. THE COUNTRY OF THE FATHERS IS THEREFORE THAT OF THE CHILDREN.”

To be a “natural born citizen” one’s parents must both be citizens (native born or naturalized, it doesn’t matter which) AND one must be born within the nation of one’s parents.

Rep. John Bingham of Ohio, considered the father of the Fourteenth Amendment, confirms that understanding and the construction the framers used in regards to birthright and jurisdiction while speaking on civil rights of citizens in the House on March 9, 1866:

” ... I find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents (plural, meaning two) not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen...”

Bingham is also quoted saying in the Spring of 1868 some serious warnings:

“May God forbid that the future historian shall record of this day’s proceedings, that by reason of the failure of the legislative power of the people to triumph over the usurpations of an apostate President, the fabric of American empire fell and perished from the earth!...I ask you to consider that we stand this day pleading for the violated majesty of the law, by the graves of half a million of martyred hero-patriots who made death beautiful by the sacrifice of themselves for their country, the Constitution and the laws, and who, by their sublime example, have taught us all to obey the law; that none are above the law...”

As you can easily understand after reading this, neither Barack Obama nor John McCain were eligible to be President under Section 1, Article 2, of the U. S. Constitution. For your information, both men accepted large cash donations from George Soros, who is determined to destroy this nation. A first step to achieving that aim is to render the Constitution a useless rag.


98 posted on 07/08/2009 1:34:12 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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