Posted on 07/06/2009 5:42:02 PM PDT by pissant
I still have my original BC. It is in a fireproof storage safe and it looks all of my 53 years old and is stll legible and accessible in under 5 minutes. I’ve used it to enlist in the Marines and get a California driver’s license. I’ll probably have to produce it again if I want to get a passport.
Oblahblah said in one of his autobiographies (and who the hell writes two before they’re 50!?) he found his years ago. He’s hiding something for sure. Something worth close to a million dollars to hide. I’d love to find out what it is.
Actually it does list their names. No addresses or nationalities though. But since it's a forgery, what difference does it make what it contains or does not contain?
But not good enough to even be a citizen, under the law as it existed at the time, if he was not born in the US. His mother had not resided in the US for the required 5 years past her 14th birthday.
Be careful what you ask for. Someday a real neat conservative may come to the fore with a similar issue.
I'll prefer to stick with the US Constitution. No truly "real neat" conservative who was ineligible according to the Constitution would even run. And if they did, who'd want to vote for someone who demonstrated that they did not care to "preserve, protect and defend" that instrument of freedom.
He also makes a lot of accusations, without even bothering to name names, let alone provide details.
No it was not. Dangerous, ill advised, but not illegal.
But I'd still like to see what passport he traveled on, and how he was registered at Occidental and Columbia, and who paid the freight. Private school tuition is not cheap.
There must have been something interesting in his passport file, to be worth someone dinking with it.
The Constitution and the laws of the United States. If he was born outside the US, his parents were married, and given his mother's age, then he was not born a US citizen, irregardless of where outside the country he actually was born.
Then how did he get into the country in the first place? Immigration would not let a baby into the country without a passport.
Well that's nice. But it's not the law. The laws currently says that in order for a child born of one American citizen, married to a foregin national to be a citizen at birth, the American Citizen must have lived 2 year after their 14th birthday in the US. At the time Barack H. Obama Jr. was born, the requirement was 5 years. His mother hadn't been alive 5 years after her 14th birthday, she was 17 when she got pregnant, and 18 on the date claimed as his birthdate.
You could look it up.
That's an insult to dead fish. It would be best described as Skunky. Even a dog won't put up with that kind of smell. Whereas pretty much anything else that stinks, they'll roll in, and/ or bring to you as an offering of their devotion.
Sure they would. In those days a baby was put on to its mother's passport. That could be done at the US Embassy or Consulate. Since we haven't seen any passport of Stanley Ann's or BHO's, how do we know whats on it? Someone does though, the someones who broke into the passport files of BHO, Hillary and McCain.
If the country was Canada, they could have just driven accross the border, no questions asked, except perhaps of the driver. August of 1961 was decades before September of 2001. Things Were Different Then.
The article addresses that point. It argues that the short form establishes his place of birth and thus the long form is not needed to establish eligibility:
As for the theory that Obama's original birth certificate might show he was foreign-born, [Hawaii Department of Health spokeswoman Janice] Okubo said the "Certification of Live Birth" would say so. Obama's does not. Again, it says he was born in Honolulu.
The article goes on to quote a reporter who looked up the two newspaper birth announcements and established that they would have come from the Health Department and were not placed by a family member:
Take a second and think about that. In order to phony those notices up, it would have required the complicity of the state Health Department and two independent newspapers — on the off chance this unnamed child might want to one day be president of the United States.
Of course, there are lot more details in the long form. You can view an example of a 1962 Hawaii BC here. So, it's possible Obama's long form contains something embarrassing (that we don't already know). But not disqualifying.
As for why he doesn't release it, I think he's just toying with the birthers. Unless their contentions gain traction with the public at large, he'll continue to do that.
And as for the million+ the birthers claim he's spent keeping it secret, I'm sure the total is far less. His total legal service expenditures were just under $1.2m, or about one sixth of one percent of his campaign's total cost. The portion of those expenses to respond to birther actions is probably one sixth of one percent of the one sixth of one percent. It's not as if the courts have required him to do much in the way of a response.
We’ll keep the heat on and spread the word. The government will eventually be unable to ignore this issue.
And as for the million+ the birthers claim he's spent keeping it secret, I'm sure the total is far less. "
It is an indisputable fact that Hawaii, in the early '60s would issue birth certificates to infants who's parent(s) were Hawaiian residents and either gave birth to a child out of the country, or adopted a child out of country, so long as they applied for the bc within a specific period of time (less than a year or six months, I believe). This has never been acknowledged by any traditional media outlet I've seen. Knowing it's true, I am curious as to why the fact is never spoken about.
Secondly, irrespective of how much Obama has spent, the fact that he's spent anything beyond the $25 to get a facsimile of his vault-copy birth certificate is troubling. Additionally, many of the legal professionals that have worked on this issue on Obama's behalf, have done so pro bono, as they have admitted. I'm not surprised Obama's actual costs are only in the six figures, still a staggering amount of money.
Third, he's not "toying" with birthers, as you've described, his actions and inactions have created the "birther" movement. He should have released these records, as most candidates do, during the primaries, well before there was any kind of "birther" movement.
Lastly, I'm also puzzled, and I am disappointed that the traditional media isn't, that Obama hasn't released any of his other relevant historical documents like: college transcripts, financial aid forms, college applications and the like. From my point of view, he's being far to secretive about mundane, even trivial historical records to not be hiding something.
I won't bury my curiosity, even if the media has decided to bury theirs.
You’ll really love this one, then !
But according to Ms Okubo, the short form would list the child's actual place of birth. So, if Obama had been born outside Hawaii while his mother was on a trip to visit his father's parents, he might still have been issued a Hawaiian BC, but it would have said he was born in Mombasa, not Honolulu. This is the point the birthers gloss over when they cite Hawaii's BC policies of the day.
You said it. A real conservative would never dream of throwing his/her hat in the ring if he/she wasn't Constitutionally qualified for the office.
“It is an indisputable fact that Hawaii, in the early ‘60s would issue birth certificates to infants who’s parent(s) were Hawaiian residents and either gave birth to a child out of the country, or adopted a child out of country, so long as they applied for the bc within a specific period of time (less than a year or six months, I believe).”
And yet, you can’t bring forward even one such person, having a Hawaii COLB stating Hawaii as birthplace, but really being born elsewhere, to substantiate your claim. Those Obots must really be efficient! They’ve brought everyone into the Conspiracy!
Oh, the CoLB, if legitimate, would not say the birthplace was in Hawaii. But then again the image that the Obamites released on the web is not legitimate, it's forgery. What it says, means nothing.
That would be true, IF. (1) Place of birth is sufficient for "natural born", and (2) The CoLB was not a fogery.
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