Posted on 07/01/2009 2:14:14 PM PDT by Blue Highway
It seems like every time I venture into an Apple thread here on FR, it's similar to venturing over into Democratic Underground territory.
Personal attacks abound especially if you start criticizing Apple products or other Apple users for being naive into thinking Apple is everything their clever marketing department represents it to be.
It seems like the Mac ping list alerts the faithful flock to defend Apple to the death and that is when the claws come out and it starts to get ugly.
>> I even thought about challenging you to a posting duel for the covetted FR 400 Trophy Cup.
Not to worry... looks like 500 will be here before we know it!
Ahh, yes. Emoticons make it all okay. And there’s a bridge in Brooklyn I can sell you dirt cheap.
Please get over yourself.
Itsahoot? Were you replying to Star Traveler or to Sudetenland?
Thanks for the article Sudetenland. $29 for an upgrade “sounds” like a good deal till you read the fine print. Again, this is the kind of sneaky behavior where it seems Apple it trying to hoodwink it’s own users.
Thank you for the laugh at your expense; it’s an excellent way to end the Fourth.
Dang Sword, whomever's clock clock you cleaned, I have marked all those posts as read, so I honestly don't remember. Gray hair disease sucks.
Might as well throw in, “A fool and his money are easily parted.”
What's the problem? There is nothing sneaky going on. It IS a good deal.
Itsahoot is right. You both suffer from Apple Derangement Syndrome. It is the author of that article who is hoodwinking you—and also suffers from ADS.
Coming September 2009 with every new Mac.
Upgrade from Mac OS X Leopard for just $29.
Mac OS X Snow Leopard requires an Intel-based Mac.How to get Mac OS X Snow Leopard.
Mac OS X v10.6 Snow Leopard will be available in September 2009. Here’s how to get it.With every new Mac.
When it’s released, every new Mac computer will come with Mac OS X Snow Leopard already installed. You won’t need to do anything.Snow Leopard Up-to-Date Program.
If you purchased a qualifying Mac on or after June 8, 2009, that does not include Mac OS X Snow Leopard, you can upgrade for $9.95.Upgrading from Mac OS X v10.5 Leopard.
If your Intel-based Mac is running Mac OS X v10.5 Leopard, just purchase Mac OS X v10.6 Snow Leopard when it’s available and follow the simple installation instructions.Upgrading from Mac OS X v10.4 Tiger.
If your Intel-based Mac is running Mac OS X v10.4 Tiger, purchase the Mac Box Set (when available), which is a single, affordable package that includes Mac OS X v10.6 Snow Leopard; iLife ’09, with the latest versions of iPhoto, iMovie, GarageBand, iWeb, and iDVD; and iWork ’09, Apple’s productivity suite for home and office including Pages, Numbers, and Keynote.[The $169 Mac Box Set includes:
—Swordmaker]
- iLife'09 upgrade, sold separately for $79
- iWork'09 package, sold separately for $79
- OS X.6 Snow Leopard, cost to the user just $11
Source: Apple's Snow Leopard pages
The upgrade for ANY Mac user who already has ANY version of the Intel based OS X.5 Leopard to OS X.6 Snow Leopard is only $29. According to Apple, that includes over 80% of the early buyers of the original Intel Macs that came with Tiger.
No one is being cheated. It's an upgrade to LEOPARD... not to any other previous version of the OS. If a Mac user doesn't have the Intel version of Leopard, then Snow Leopard is not an option—unless they either buy an Intel Mac, or If they have an early Intel Mac, and are still using OS X.4 Tiger, then they need to buy Leopard so it can be updated.
The fact people who upgraded from OS X.4 Tiger to Leopard paid $129 (for a single license) is irrelevant to the upgrade from Leopard to Snow Leopard. I upgraded from Tiger to Leopard (five license package - $189 = $37.80 per Mac) 20 months ago.
I did not upgrade because I wanted to eventually upgrade to Snow Leopard. I upgraded because I wanted what Leopard could do... that Tiger could not. I have had 20 months of use trouble-free, productive use of Leopard. It is fully amortized; I have gotten my money's worth already. My cost to upgrade my machines would be $29 each, however, I will buy a five license package for $49.
That's what I thought. I was replying to Sudetenland. His clock is running excellently, thank you.
Apparently, Sudetenland can get upset about the littlest things. Now he is upset that I had the TEMERITY to continue the discussion of why Apple made the choices they have. There was not a personal attack in on the horizon but that continued discussion set him off with a flurry of invective. Talk about thin skinned Windows people.
And how you are willing to accept anything written on the Web as gospel truth.
The reason Ed Bott was being brought to task is that he marked OS X as not having features that were in the Pro and Ultimate versions of Windows7 that we Mac users KNOW are in OS X Leopard.
Bott was doing the exact same thing, either through ignorance or deliberately, that some of the anti-Mac/Apple zealots do on FR—making ex cathedra assertions intended to establish Strawman points so he could knock them down with his ignorant claims. He was, in a not-so-subtle way, misrepresenting the capabilities of OS X to make it look less capable than the MS offering in an article that was supposedly only about the differences between Window7 Home Premium and the more powerful pro and ultimate versions of 7.
As was pointed out by even Windows advocates, for the purposes of his article the inclusion of OS X in the discussion was totally irrelevant to the purported purpose—especially in such a prominent position, often in the last sentence in his comparisons, making the judgement on OS X the conclusion of the paragraph. Certainly none of the OS X discussion in the article was probative on which version of Windows7 a Windows user should choose for his upgrade.
Bott is a professional journalist; it's hard for me to believe that he wrote in this manner carelessly. I think it was intended to ignite exactly the flurry of opposition and correction it did, generating hits for the ads on the web site. It certainly did that.
I reviewed the comments on both sides. I saw some errors in the Mac advocates' claims as well as on Ed Bott's and his supporters as well. Had I been earlier in the discussion there, I would have registered and called the Mac users on their claims and corrected the information. I would also have done what I do here... rebutted Ed's points with links showing the correct information, not just making ex cathedra pronouncements. However, at 583 comments, it was far too late to do any of that and have it relevant to the errors... the damage was already done on both sides.
Invective????? My, my. Perhaps we should investigate the definition of thin skinned...Swordmaker.
This is frankly disingenuous to Mac users especially the new ones that purchased a Mac after June 8th. Why not a FREE upgrade? At least Microsoft is providing a free upgrade to Wnidows 7 to new purchases of Vista.
Upgrading from Mac OS X v10.4 Tiger.
If your Intel-based Mac is running Mac OS X v10.4 Tiger, purchase the Mac Box Set (when available), which is a single, affordable package that includes Mac OS X v10.6 Snow Leopard; iLife ’09, with the latest versions of iPhoto, iMovie, GarageBand, iWeb, and iDVD; and iWork ’09, Apple’s productivity suite for home and office including Pages, Numbers, and Keynote. NOTE: THIS IS NOT $29 AND THIS IS THE REASON ED BOTTS ARTICLE WAS RELEVANT
The district hired an IT professional who made a killing ordering custom computers from a hole in the wall computer shop, who also got rich.
At that time, I taught computers in High school, and had a Mac lab that was never down for any reason, not one computer failed to report for duty every morning, for five years.
Which means no IT service people required, and that really upsets them.
Eventually they parted out my Mac lab and replaced it with PC's which sat unused for three semesters, I taught Math until I hung it up.
PC users don't want to get along, they want to replace you, period.
I have the critical WinXP software running under Parallels and, thanks to MacPorts, have all the Open Source Linux code running. There is one package that uses old Motif calls that doesn't play well with 24 bit color that has issues, but everything else just runs. It has been amazing to see users in science and engineering move steadily to MacOSX. There is a helpful community to assist new users. I had a great experience at the Apple Store and will continue to shop there.
It pains me to see so many disparaging comments here, especially from a couple of posters who seem to have 'axes to grind' and little to no experience with Apple products. Thank you for your time refuting the FUD.
I do have one observation to add to the debate: my reading tells me that Win7 will not be totally backwards-compatible and will require some legacy software to run in some kind of virtual environment. I don't see that as a bad move by Microsoft. However, having to run legacy software in a virtual environment anyway, it seems this decision will permit MS users to consider virtualization under other operating systems that might suit their need. Virtualization under MacOSX certainly works for me.
Why is it so hard for you to understand that the $29 is for an upgrade to OSX Leopard, not OS X Tiger? Those are two different OSes and two different products.
The people you and Bott are wanting to be able to get to pay $29 own Tiger, they NEVER bought or paid for Leopard, so how can they upgrade it? It is akin to complaining that someone can't install Service Pack 2 for Vista on WindowsXP.
Before you argue that the Windows SP2 is free, but Apple is charging for their upgrade, Snow Leopard has a cost because it adds new functions that a mere service pack does not making a new OS.
As for the $9.95 charge for the Snow Leopard upgrade for those who purchased Macs after June 8th, that has to do with GAAP rules that were put in place in 2004 that require that Apple charge for "new" functionality or be subject to a potential stockholder's lawsuit for improperly transferring company assets without compensation. Apple charges a nominal price for the upgrade to satisfy the requirements of the regulations plus shipping and handling.
Why does this matter to you? You aren't involved.
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