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Targeting Lost Causers
Old Virginia Blog ^ | 06/09/2009 | Richard Williams

Posted on 06/09/2009 8:47:35 AM PDT by Davy Buck

My oh my, what would the critics, the Civil War publications, publishers, and bloggers do if it weren't for the bad boys of the Confederacy and those who study them and also those who wish to honor their ancestors who fought for the Confederacy?

(Excerpt) Read more at oldvirginiablog.blogspot.com ...


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Education; History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: academia; confederacy; damnyankees; dixie; dunmoresproclamation; history; lincolnwasgreatest; neoconfeds; notthisagain; southern; southwasright
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To: BroJoeK
Unlike you, I did read it, all of it. It starts off with a few natural complaints about taxes, but then soon gets to the real issue: .....

"Soon", for your purposes, is 1500 words or more. I see.

Yeah, let's buzz past all the tax and alienation of revenues issues and well-drawn comparisons between what Whig policy was doing with the expenditures of taxes raised off Southern and Western payors, and spending on improvements in the seaboard cities of the Northeast.

Let's ditch that because we want to hear about SLAVERY.

You're droning like a Marxist duckspeaker, did you realize it?

Blow off every issue, every item -- and go to the propaganda point you want and pound, pound, pound it.

You and Dalton Trumbo.

Do you want to have a conversation, or just stand on a corner with a bullhorn recruiting for your cadres?

461 posted on 06/18/2009 10:30:09 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: BroJoeK
But the bottom line is, you never answered my question:

Yes I did, and I shoved it down your throat.

Cough.

Cough harder.

462 posted on 06/18/2009 10:31:34 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: BroJoeK
So, pal, who is "posting like an idiot"?

You are. You had to ask? That's the first sign.

463 posted on 06/18/2009 10:33:06 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: BroJoeK
BJK:"you'd be hard pressed to convince most Americans that slavery and secession are actually two distinct issues....."

lentulusgracchus: "Illegitimate argument: appeal to motive in lieu of support.
Argumentum ad populum, the bandwagon fallacy."

Total faux-philosophical BS. My statement is 100% true, and an important point in a country which votes for its leaders.


Not even close. Your statement is a famous fallacy recognized by first-year logic students the world over.

"My statement is true" is a witting falsehood. Fallacies are never true; that's why they're called "fallacies", from fallax, "misleading".

A lie is a lie is a lie.

Splash rosewater on it, and sprinkles, and sell a steaming pile of it to the proverbial "10,000 Frenchmen", and it's still a lie.

464 posted on 06/18/2009 10:40:05 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: BroJoeK

YOU are missing the point. Secession was legal. I am quite sure that most of the leaders knew that there was a RISK. That doesn’t mean it was a foregone conclusion. Lincoln on the other hand WANTED WAR. Do YOUR homework, and you will see that.


465 posted on 06/19/2009 3:46:45 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: BroJoeK

I can show you parts of the TEXAS Articles of Secession that go into more than slavery.......and what is your point?
Slavery was perfectly legal in 1861.


466 posted on 06/19/2009 3:49:01 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: lentulusgracchus
And by the way, there was no rebellion. There was a mass murder, though -- and your boy did it.

There was a rebellion, a armed open and unsuccessful opposition to the established government. But mass murder? Now your drifting into stupid again.

467 posted on 06/19/2009 4:04:29 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: TexConfederate1861
Secession was legal.

Unilateral secession was not.

468 posted on 06/19/2009 4:05:48 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Your man went to war against an independent country without articles of war.

That made it illegal, and therefore murder. Mass murder.

But go ahead, sprinkle your perfume of "policy" and your stink of gloating and triumphalism over it, maybe people won't notice.

You'll pay for that someday, btw. Nobody down here has forgotten.

469 posted on 06/19/2009 4:11:21 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Non-Sequitur
Unilateral secession was not.

There's no other kind of "secession", and it was, and is, legal. That which is not prohibited to the States by their own Act of ratification, remains theirs.

And screw your coming around later and saying "well, it really means this because that paints my wagon." Who the hell are you?

470 posted on 06/19/2009 4:13:19 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: TexConfederate1861; BroJoeK
I can show you parts of the TEXAS Articles of Secession that go into more than slavery.......and what is your point?

I was saving that in case he really wanted to beat his head against a brick wall while davening over his McPherson mantra, "It was all about slaveryyyyy...."

471 posted on 06/19/2009 4:15:00 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus
It isn't suicide when someone else pulls the trigger. Someone like, say, Abraham Lincoln.

When someone provokes the police into shooting him it's referred to as 'suicide by police'. That's pretty much what the South did. By starting a war over Sumter they guaranteed their own demise.

All your dancing around and playing with words won't cover up the fact that Lincoln came to office with a war policy and killed nearly 1,000,000 of his fellows, to get his way about politics. That puts him in the same league as the Viscontis, the Borgias, and Peter the Great. Never mind the body count -- dead people don't matter, only my politics, my fame.

I do believe that your grasp on reality is rapidly slipping.

All your dancing around and playing with words won't cover up the fact that Lincoln came to office with a war policy and killed nearly 1,000,000 of his fellows, to get his way about politics. That puts him in the same league as the Viscontis, the Borgias, and Peter the Great. Never mind the body count -- dead people don't matter, only my politics, my fame.

Southron scholarship at it's best. Can quotes from "Gods and Generals" or "Outlaw Josey Wales" be far behind?

472 posted on 06/19/2009 4:15:06 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
There was a no rebellion, but a armed open and unsuccessful opposition to an invading Federal Army the established government.

There, fixed it.

473 posted on 06/19/2009 4:36:09 AM PDT by central_va
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To: Non-Sequitur
re⋅bel⋅lion  /rɪˈbɛlyən/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ri-bel-yuhn] Show IPA

–noun

  1. open, organized, and armed resistance to one's government or ruler.

    Once the heroic 11 seceded, the central (Federal) authority was the Confederate Govt. not D.C.

  2. resistance to or defiance of any authority, control, or tradition.

    There was no defiance to Richmond or the Confederate Government.

  3. the act of rebelling.

    There was no rebelling at all, seperating is not rebelling.


474 posted on 06/19/2009 4:45:22 AM PDT by central_va
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To: Non-Sequitur
sep⋅a⋅ra⋅tist  /ˈsɛpərətɪst, -əˌreɪ-/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [sep-er-uh-tist, -uh-rey-] Show IPA

–noun

  1. a person who separates, withdraws, or secedes, as from an established church.
  2. an advocate of separation, esp. ecclesiastical or political separation. –adjective
  3. of, pertaining to, or designating separatism or separatists: separatist forces; separatist tendencies.

475 posted on 06/19/2009 4:51:52 AM PDT by central_va
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To: Non-Sequitur
End the U.S. Federal occupation...


476 posted on 06/19/2009 5:13:25 AM PDT by central_va
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To: central_va
Get the hell off our land!


477 posted on 06/19/2009 5:16:33 AM PDT by central_va
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To: Non-Sequitur

I worked night and day for twelve years to prevent the war, but I could not. The North was mad and blind, would not let us govern ourselves, and so the war came.

     -- Jefferson Davis, President of the Confederate States of America

478 posted on 06/19/2009 5:22:35 AM PDT by central_va
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To: central_va
`There, fixed it.

Fixed it so it was wrong. But where's the surprise in that?

479 posted on 06/19/2009 5:50:11 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: central_va
Once the heroic 11 seceded, the central (Federal) authority was the Confederate Govt. not D.C.

Their secession was illegal, so their actions were rebellious by definition.

There was no defiance to Richmond or the Confederate Government.

The junta in Richmond was not a legitimate government.

There was no rebelling at all, seperating is not rebelling.

Illegal attempts at separating is.

480 posted on 06/19/2009 5:52:02 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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