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To: Marysecretary; MarkBsnr
Baptism does NOT save anyone, wagglebee, and most non-catholics believe that. I believe baptism is essential after one comes to know the Lord but the rite of baptism isn’t salvific.

Then why do nearly all non-Catholic Christians include the Nicene Creed as part of their worship service? The Nicene Creed explicitly states that baptism IS salfivic.

592 posted on 05/27/2009 4:41:36 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

I don’t know why they say it but the Nicene Creed is just a manmade creed and if a Catholic wrote it, it would reflect what they believed at that time. You are not saved through baptism but through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. THEN you should be baptized. Infants can’t make that decision. I have no problem with people baptizing babies to set them apart for the Lord, but those babies aren’t saved through that rite.


597 posted on 05/27/2009 8:54:40 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: wagglebee; Dr. Eckleburg

***Then why do nearly all non-Catholic Christians include the Nicene Creed as part of their worship service? The Nicene Creed explicitly states that baptism IS salfivic.***

Forgive me if I remember incorrectly, Dr. E., but I believe that you once instructed me that the Nicene Creed in your church although recited, is more of a suggestion than doctrine. Can you confirm or deny this?


632 posted on 05/27/2009 5:34:41 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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