Posted on 05/22/2009 3:51:32 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
Large scale production of post-carbon energy technology is a key to CO2. The post-carbon technology must must be producible in sufficiently large numbers to have a significant impact on of CO2 emissions, yet have low capital and operation costs. If capital costs foe a carbon replacement technology can be paid for our of fuel cost savings and other efficiencies, so much the chances of successful GHG mitigation will be greatly improved.
Massive deployment of post carbon energy technology would almost certainly mean reliance on commodity materials such as stainless steel, and cement. A really desirable post carbon technology would contribute those those processes which produce raw materials needed for its own production. Thus it would be highly desirable for a post carbon energy technology to contribute the heat needed to produce steel and cement, either directly or through providing heat input into a chemical process by which high temperature fuel is produced.Thus if a reactor provides the heat needed to produce hydrogen gas, and burning the hydrogen provides the heat needed to make cement, the nuclear technology may be self sustaining, in a way which renewable technologies is not.Consider the issue of a material like neodymium in LFTR generators. What might prove interesting about this pairing is the potential of the LFTR to produce neodymium. Neodymium is a fission product, and LFTRs would produce about 150 pounds of neodymium for every billion watt years of electricity they produce. This is the essence of green technology, the ability of a technology to produce the resources required to impliment the technology on a massive scale.
Windmills can’t do that. Windmill designers might choose to use neodymium in their generators, but they can never produce neodymium from the normal operation of their windmills. If neodymium has to be used in the manufacture of windmills, it has to be dug up from the earth. From the viewpoint of the production of scarce raw materials, the LFTR is simply “greener” that the windmill. From the viewpoint of Energy returned from Energy Invested the LFTR wins over the windmills hands down.From the viewpoint of carbon emissions per kWh of electricity generated, the LFTR wins over the windmill hands down.
Meier calculated that in 1998 conventional nuclear generated one GWhe for every 18 tons of CO2 emitted. Wind generated 14 tons of CO2.http://fti.neep.wisc.edu/pdf/fdm1181.pdf
Technological options played a very large role in the calculated CO2 emissions for nuclear.Were the analysis to focus on alternative nuclear technologies like the LFTR, the IFR, or the Indian FBR. the comparison between nuclear and wind would greatly favor the advanced nuclear technology.For example in American conventional reactors 3/4th of the associated CO2 emissions were from coal fired power plants that supplied electricity to uranium enrichment facilities.Thorium does not require enrichment. Hence the switch to a thorium fuel cycle produces a 75% decrease in CO2 emissions from the Uranium fuel cycle. Thorium is already mined at uranium mines, rare earth mines, and phosphate mines. Hence no added emission of CO2 would be produced in order to mine thorium. This produces a further reduction of CO2 emissions related to mining thorium. Thorium can be prepared for use in reactors using low cost, low CO2 emission fluoride chemical processes. Thus the CO2 emissions of of a LFTR would easily be 10% of those from a conventional nuclear plant ca. 1998.
Now the LFTR uses mined nuclear fuel form 200 to 300 times more efficiently than a conventional nuclear power plant. Thus the CO2 emissions of a LFTR in producing electrical energy is perhaps 0.05% of the indexed conventional nuclear power plant. This would give us a figure of about 18 pounds of CO2 per gWhe. Quite obviously the LFTR and other Generation IV breeders far outperforms the windmills as a carbon mitigation measure.
Reactors like the LFTR are highly scalable. They can be rapidly built, in large numbers and rapidly deployed. The LFTR is highly stable. Its operation does not require staff intervention, because it will shut down automatically before it over heats. Its core already molten so core melt down is not a problem, and passive safety features automatically dump the core into safe holding tanks in the event of an emergency. The IFR also has very advanced automatic safety features. Thus a requirement to hire and train a highly able, highly skilled and qualified staff, will not be an impediment to the deployment of advanced nuclear technology. Factory production, advanced labor savings technology, simple design, the use of common low cost materials all make the massive use of advanced nuclear technology a major route, and arguable the major route to CO2 mitigation during the next 40 years. What is required is a social commitment to advanced nuclear technology. Ironically India alone among nuclear capable nations has made that commitment and stands in another generation to begin reaping the reward for its courage and foresight. The United States has, in contrast, followed a nuclear policy shaped by nearsightedness and fear. Advocates of a policy informed by cowardice are welcome in the inner chambers of of the Obama administration. If our national nuclear policy does not change, if we continue to follow those who would shape our nuclear policy by appeals to cowardice, we will pay a high price. A nation of ignorant cowards cannot be great. Nor can such a country hope to successfully expect to mitigate CO2 emissions.
The bottom line is that for the foreseeable future renewable energy will remain a pie-in-the-sky green fantasy, not feasible economically without huge public subsidies.
Yeah, quite a transformation.
From civilization to a chaotic society of masses of underfed/underclothed slaves huddled in dark cold corners while the masters speed past in big black limousines.
Remember, one thing that will NEVER change with liberals... some post carbons are more equal than others.
Found the article at National Review....thread going up!
Will be from the Hudson Institute....better source.
Green Bubbles Bursting ( comments on the Obama Green Agenda)
Yet another technology that is based on reducing the levels of CO2. Meanwhile if indeed we are in for a extended period of global cooling, due to known absorption rates between the ocean’s surface and the surrounding air, CO2 will be reduced. So in effect these process called for to reduce CO2 are just going to take away CO2 that could be used by vegetation to feed the worlds populations.
BLECHHH!
I have nothing against new Nuke Tech, I like research and affordable alternatives should they arrive.....
.....But this crap about "post carbon energy makes me puke.
Prove there is a need for "post carbon".
CO2 producing fuels are affordable and abundant. As long as they are available, more exotic and expensive technologies (rightfully) will be bullets in the holster that will be loaded in some future when their time has come.
see link just above...will be back later.
See link at #25
I'll take a look at the Energy from Thorium blog.
I don't mean to imply that Thorium may be a bad tech, I just get ticked at the anti carbon mantra of the left.
Going the extra mile: Commentary: Promising battery technology should excite investors
It's a lithium-titanate battery ....
What makes this battery valuable for automotive use is its recharging speed. It's optimized to recharge in minutes, not hours.
I agree with that.
World's 'safest' nuclear reactor in India
This was a 2005 thread
Thanks Ernest.
JPB, I’m surprised you haven’t posted graphics of “Thor”. You’re not ill are ya? ;’)
Thanks, bfl.
Cheers!
As a heads up you might want to look at the GHG pollutant list recently released by the EPA; fluorine will be looked at as a potent GHG from now on, I’m afraid.
later
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