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King of Fighters F-22 Gets Killed by Humble T-38 Training Plane [VIDEO]
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| Tue Apr 21 2009
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Posted on 04/21/2009 2:18:21 PM PDT by MyTwoCopperCoins
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins
Isn’t the F-22 getting cut?
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posted on
04/21/2009 2:20:27 PM PDT
by
unkus
To: MyTwoCopperCoins
I am SO gonna analyze this.
Before analysis, I do want to note that the F-22 is designed for BVR.
But this should be great :)
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posted on
04/21/2009 2:20:36 PM PDT
by
freedumb2003
(Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks.)
To: MyTwoCopperCoins
My son trained on the T-38. He loved it.
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posted on
04/21/2009 2:22:04 PM PDT
by
DallasDeb
(USAFA '06 Mom)
To: MyTwoCopperCoins
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posted on
04/21/2009 2:22:16 PM PDT
by
gridlock
(L'etat, c'est Barack...)
To: unkus
Isnt the F-22 getting cut? New production is. They aren't scrapping the ones in inventory already.
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posted on
04/21/2009 2:22:29 PM PDT
by
KarlInOhio
(No free man bows to a foreign king.)
To: MyTwoCopperCoins
it was proved long ago that the F-5, with the right pilot, can out manuever an F-15 and shoot it down.
It is all about the Pilot and his skilllevel
The F-22 has NOT been around long enough to know it’s tough spots, but the F-5 is ancient, aggressive, and manuverable
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posted on
04/21/2009 2:23:53 PM PDT
by
RaceBannon
(We have sown the wind, but we will reap the whirlwind. NObama. Not my president.)
To: freedumb2003
I am SO gonna analyze this I would want to see what the rules of engagement and flight rules are. If the F-22 started in the T-38's gunsights, with its landing gear down and wasn't allowed to go supersonic, I could see the T-38 getting a kill.
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posted on
04/21/2009 2:25:37 PM PDT
by
KarlInOhio
(No free man bows to a foreign king.)
To: MyTwoCopperCoins
Not to worry...the pilot in the ‘22 was afraid to “shoot down” one of the Thunderbirds!!
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posted on
04/21/2009 2:26:03 PM PDT
by
Logic n' Reason
(Welcome, one and all, to the islamo-muslim states of obamica!)
To: MyTwoCopperCoins
I get it now — the T38 got inside the curve of the F-22. We always forget the advantages of a craft than can fly “slowly.”
The F-22 should have used his ability to change the delta.
Of course, having never one beyond simulators what the heck do I know?
Nut that does bring up the question — could an F-16 defeat an F-22 using similar tactics?
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posted on
04/21/2009 2:26:04 PM PDT
by
freedumb2003
(Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks.)
To: MyTwoCopperCoins
I find it amusing that its HUGE NEWS when an F22 is ‘shot down’ in training exercises.
I think it diminishes their kill ratio to about 10000:1
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posted on
04/21/2009 2:26:11 PM PDT
by
Crazieman
(Feb 7, 2008 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1966675/posts?page=28#28)
To: MyTwoCopperCoins
Sure, occassionally one aircraft will get 'lucky'; but a single fight does not a battle make. Consider:
During Exercise Northern Edge 2006 in Alaska in early June, the F-22 proved its mettle against as many as 40 "enemy aircraft" during simulated battles. The Raptor achieved a 108-to-zero kill ratio at that exercise. But the capabilities of the F-22 go beyond what it can do. It is also able to help other aircraft do better.
USAF Link
Sure, this may have happened as shown; but in 99.9% of the cases the aircraft would have been destroyed before it even 'saw' the F-22. Being armed to the teeth, invisible to radar, and extremely maneurvable has it's advantages.
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posted on
04/21/2009 2:26:31 PM PDT
by
Hodar
(Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
To: gridlock
On any given Sunday...Perfect analysis right there!
To: KarlInOhio
Do you know how many we have?
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posted on
04/21/2009 2:26:52 PM PDT
by
unkus
To: MyTwoCopperCoins
To: MyTwoCopperCoins
Lends credence to my theory that the F-22 isn’t all it’s cracked up to be, hence the cancellation. It’s better than anything we have today, but not advanced enough to justify its huge cost.
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posted on
04/21/2009 2:28:24 PM PDT
by
Mr. Jeeves
("If you cannot pick it up and run with it, you don't really own it." -- Robert Heinlein)
To: MyTwoCopperCoins
Big Deal! I killed a sparrow (not the missile the bird) with my T-33! Got one with a T-28 too. Stunk to high heaven. /sarc
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posted on
04/21/2009 2:29:12 PM PDT
by
Don Corleone
(Leave the gun..take the cannoli now reads "Oil the gun..eat the cannolis.")
To: Logic n' Reason
I have a great poster from Magu NAS way back when with the autographs of the T-Bird T-38 team. Nice folk and very audience friendly :)
To this day, I cherish the handshakes and the autographs. And there were 2 women pilots that were — well — hot :)
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posted on
04/21/2009 2:29:42 PM PDT
by
freedumb2003
(Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks.)
To: unkus
Do you know how many we have?181, I believe. Two were destroyed in accidents.
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posted on
04/21/2009 2:30:52 PM PDT
by
buccaneer81
(Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
To: MyTwoCopperCoins
Comment here what I commented on youtube:
We know this is what it is purported to be exactly how. Maybe it is, but not having been born yesterday, I know that things aren't always what others claim they are.
A sub-minute clip from a gun camera showing a small blip being locked onto is meaningless.
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posted on
04/21/2009 2:30:55 PM PDT
by
Sudetenland
(Congress has too many politicians and Leftistlators and not enough Constitutionalists.)
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