Posted on 03/31/2009 11:03:33 PM PDT by Swordmaker
Such is the fate of all monopolies... however, until the Justice Departments of both the United States and the Economic Union agree to withdraw their sanctions, Microsoft will still have to abide by the limitations placed on them because of the anti-trust convictions as a monopoly.
It matters not what you think... it does matter what the LAW has determined. Incidentally, Obama, Pelosi, and Frank are irrelevent to these cases as the determination was made prior to Obama's administration, and Pelosi and Frank have no jurisdiction.
You can bloviate and obfuscate as much as you want, but Microsoft WAS convicted in multiple courts of monopolistic practices. If one is convicted of a crime, one is convicted.
By-the-way, calling people with whom you are debating "adolescent" is an ad hominem attack... which is the last resort of those who do not have an argument against the facts.
You are swallowing the Microsoft face-saving MYTH...
Apple was NOT bailed out by Microsoft. Microsoft essentially LOST a copyright and patent infringement lawsuit brought by Apple and as part of the court approved, three interlocking settlement agreements (which you can now read on-line) Microsoft had to pay $150,000,000 to Apple (it was handled as a purchase of non-voting, preferred stock), license certain MS patents to Apple in perpetuity at no cost, and continue developing and marketing MS Office for Mac for an additional five years. For its part of the agreements, Apple agreed to drop its suits, license certain copyrights to MS in exchange for fees for a period of five years, and include Internet Explorer for Mac on its OS distribution disks along with Netscape for five years.
"Later testimony in the U.S. D.O.J. Microsoft anti-trust trial revealed that, at the time, Apple was threatening Microsoft with a multi-billion dollar lawsuit over the allegedly stolen code, and in return Bill Gates was threatening with the cancellation of Office for the Mac. [2] [3] In August 1997, Apple and Microsoft announced a settlement deal. Apple would drop all current lawsuits, including all lingering issues from the "Look & Feel" lawsuit and the "QuickTime source code" lawsuit, and agree to make Internet Explorer the default browser on the Macintosh unless the user explicitly chose the bundled Netscape browser. In return, Microsoft agreed to continue developing Office, Internet Explorer, and various developer tools and software for the Mac for the next 5 years, and purchase $150 million of non-voting Apple stock. The companies also agreed to mutual collaboration on Java technologies, and to cross-license all existing patents, and patents obtained during the five-year deal, with one another."WikipediaAt the time of this so-called saving of Apple, Apple had over 1.2 BILLION DOLLARS in CASH the bank and more in liquid assets and had debts of under $70 million. Apple was not at risk of going under.
"Apple, which ended its third quarter with $1.2 billion in cash, will use the additional $150 million to invest in its core markets of education and creative content, Anderson said. He added that the company expects to gain a higher percentage of its revenues from software and services in these core markets in the future."CNET NEWS, August 6, 1997
They had had just ONE quarter of loss, two quarters previous to the settlement, but were already back in the black. Apple had already turned the corner into profitability before these agreements were inked. ALL of this was reported in contemporaneous news articles when it occurred. It was several years later that the "spin" was started about how Microsoft had magnanimously "Saved Apple from bankruptcy."
and yes, you can get a similarly equipped PC for about $600. of course, if microsoft installed all that free software on the box, like apple does, then there would be nonstop complaints about anti-competitive practices
Look again at the chart I posted from Fortune Magazine about the comparison they did between all-in-one computers (a market in which Apple competes) and tell me that you can get a "similarly equipped PC for about $600. Apple simply does not compete in the bottom basement bargain bins. They have chosen not to.
Microsoft is NOT a computer maker.. they are a software company. The hardware makers are completely free to add whatever equivalent "free" software they choose on their boxes... even Microsoft's... but MS cannot, because of their conviction for anti-competitive practices, compel them to do so.
I maintain Windows and Mac computers and manage networks for publishers, medical, dental, optometric, chiropractic, and law offices, a few other professionals, a couple of local charities, and fix computer problems for anyone who calls me for help. Word of mouth keeps me so busy I stopped advertising years ago. I'm on a yearly retainer with several of the offices and come running when they yell "HELP!"
In the past, I was an area representative for the National Federation of Independent Business and before that covered Norther California and Nevada for the United States Chamber of Commerce. Before those politically oriented jobs, I variously managed the Olde Sacramento Armoury and Simms' Hardware's Gun Department for several years. In college, I was a movie projectionist.
Dell beats Apple any day of the week with its 400$ computer packages that do what your average consumer wants to do. I assemble my own computers BUT.....
If I needed one a cheapo Dell $400 desktop+LCD would be just fine. The only *perhaps* upgrades would be for a DVI video card and more memory. And depending on what the current Dell deals are the DVI and memory might be included anyhow
They forgot to mention macs are for liberal pussys
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Just a general observation. Anti-monopoly legislation originally came about in response to Ford Motor Company's practice of trying to control every aspect of the production of their cars. In this respect, Apple appears to be arguably much closer to having a monopolistic business model than Microsoft.
But, the beauty of the Macs is that Macs are attacked MUCH LESS by viruses.
Heard also about a new PC virus going around.
Well this conservative FRper USES a Mac. I have a very good dear friend who is conservative as well and uses up to 3 Macs computers for his line of work, talkradio show work, local, and has as a 4th and 5th Macs, an iPod and an iPhone. :)
You can buy a Mac Mini from Apple with free shipping for $599. This begs the question that if someone wanted the Mac experience for less money, why would that person by a machine from Psystar? It lends credence to the notion that Psystar is simply a front organization intended as a WMD against Apple's intellectual property rights as noted in this TMO article.
Frighteningly, I do remember working with one of those machines. I used it with Lotus to build a database for the company I was working for, before every desk had a computer on it.
What in the world did we fill our desks with before keyboards and monitors?
I learned all about rs-232 ports and serial interfaces trying to get information off an osborne and onto a commercial strength automated printing offset press (!!!)
Ultimately successful but what a learning process. (Love them non-standard serial cables. Have soldering iron will travel.)
Wrong metaphor. Imagine if Toyota had such a stranglehold on the market that no car dealer could turn a profit if it didn’t sell Toyotas.
Now some other car manufacturer wants to have his cars sold at dealers, but it turns out Toyota told the dealers “If you sell any other brand we’ll jack up your price for the cars, killing your profit.”
Even worse, imagine Toyota said “You have to sell Toyotas. Even if you sell a Ford to a customer, you have to pay us for a Toyota.”
The latter one is what killed OS/2. However, you really have to call Microsoft a former monopolist because Microsoft has been prohibited from doing either of those things for years.
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As an example, the user doesn’t even need an anti-virus software on his or her Mac.
This is a silly myth among ignorant Apple users. Please don’t flame me for using the word ignorant, I did not say stupid. Ignorance is actually more dangerous than stupidity because it implies a lack of education or knowledge not the inability to acquire it. Therefore, be aware of the fact that an Apple IS vulnerable to malicious attacks when not protected by firewalls or anti-virus software.
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Yep, I *do* run antivirus software. It’s great at finding viruses on my Parallels Windows partition. Never seen a single peep on the Mac side since 1984.
Currently, Phoenix, the ignorance is on YOUR part. Even Charlie Miller, the winner of the last two CANSECWEST hacking PWN to OWN contests, says it is unnecessary to run AV on a Mac. There are currently ZERO self-replicating, self-transmitting, self-installing viruses for OS X in the wild. There are currently ZERO spyware, and ZERO adware in the wild. There are about 14 easily avoided and removed Trojan horse applications in the wild. Until there is some credible threat that requires the use of AV software, it is unnecessary to run it on a Mac.
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