Posted on 02/14/2009 4:03:37 AM PST by JoeProBono
BTW,
I haven’t heard anyone note . . .
The video does NOT, to my mind,
DEMONSTRATE
that the lights CAUSED, MADE
the crop circle—merely that they were flitting around over the spot at the same time the crop circle was made.
It’s still quite possible that a tech at a computer screen linked to a satellite . . . was doing the honors and . . . the lights were observing the goings on or adding confusing drama to it.
In a world wherein the PTB are hell-bent on enslaving the whole world . . .
and are in charge of technologies 50 years ahead of anything public . . .
I don’t know that “ours” makes a lot of functional sense any more.
Sadly.
Interesting the pic of the HAARP facility above. A lot more goes on there than the public is led to believe. As a Fire Chief on the rail system, I know how much liquid helium transits through my town on the way north to that facility!
I have 0.0000000000000% doubt about that.
You might consider keeping a record . . .
and letting us know when and if there’s a spike and by what percent.
Something like . . .
“THE ORCS are flying en mass tonight”
only different, of course.
could be a useful puzzle piece.
Just pondering here . . . brainstorming with myself . . .
I wonder what other correlations might be possible . . .
weather stuff?
quake stuff?
oceanic stuff?
Hard to gather data, though, I’d guess.
I keep a good watch on the Wx radar loops. Sometimes there is a “spike” common to all three Wx radar sites here in south central Ak. Never been able to correlate it with anything though.
That’s all well beyond my skills or locality! LOL.
I do have a close family friend in Wasilla, AK
I hope Y’all are ready for the Ruskies coming.
Sigh.
The Oliver’s Castle video of lights forming crop circles is a known fake, created by a young man (his name escapes me at the moment) who worked in a video editing studio in London.
Sorry to burst any bubbles.
Not nearly as scared of the Russians as I am of zeros “Youth Corps”!
No sweat.
Reliable folks have seen similar things in sufficient diversity of reporters and locales that I don’t doubt such things appear.
Specific hoaxes don’t deter my puzzle piece collecting and analyzing much. They can be annoying.
And the gangs being lined up to cause sufficient crime waves for the populace to scream for martial law!
Sigh.
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=38&category=Real%20X-Files
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Dutch Eyewitness Says Two Crop Circles Created By Pink-Purple Light
June 9, 1999 Hoeven, Holland I have received a report from Europe about an extraordinary event: an eyewitness to the creation of two crop circles in Hoeven, a southern Holland farm community about 90 minutes from Amsterdam. It was early Monday morning, June 7th at about 12:15 AM. This is the first formation in Holland this year. A 19-year-old named Robert woke up and felt compelled to look out his bedroom window. What happened next was phoned to me by Nancy Talbott, Director of the BLT Crop Circle Research Team in Cambridge, Massachusetts. Nancy has worked with biophysicist W. C. Levengood in Michigan for the past several years to analyze plants from formations in Europe, Israel, Australia, Canada and the United States.
Levengood hypothesizes that plants in some sampled formations were affected by a spinning plasma vortex that contains microwave energies. The microwaves heat plant cells, softening and collapsing the stems into the fluid patterns we have come to associate with genuinely mysterious formations. But Levengood does not know the source of the spinning plasma vortex. This eyewitness in Holland has now seen two different phenomena associated with the creation of fresh formations which suggests there might be different mechanisms for different patterns.
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. . . this boy, Robert, who has the ability somehow to know when these things are getting ready to happen and who has been in the middle of a formation when it occurred - this was a couple of years ago. . . . And Sunday night - actually for several days - the entire weekend, he was having these anxiety feelings that he gets, pacing back and forth, feeling unwell physically which is a phenomenon that occurs prior to one of these situations. And his parents insisted that he go to bed finally Sunday evening, which he did. They in fact checked on him before they went to bed and he was sound asleep
But what happened is that at 12:15, he woke up and knew to go to the window. He opened the curtains and looked out. His window overlooks this little garden out back and this huge farm field which is directly behind their garden. And what he saw is just incredible! He describes a small, misty, pinkish-purple light - not a sphere, more football shaped - and a little bit smaller than a football, which was coming in over the field at a height of about 10 feet, maybe 12 feet over the field from quite a distance away. It's quite an enormous field. He watched it as it came closer and closer and closer to this spot that is about 50 meters behind his house. And this is where one of the snow circles occurred a couple of years ago. There was a circle in mustard seed there last spring. He's had a couple of circles in other crops in that general area. Came right back to this area and stopped - the word he used was "hanging" - just stopped in the air and hung over this spot. Then, it started to elongate, spread out is the easiest way to describe it - and it apparently spread out and spread out becoming thinner and thinner looking like a disc, was then how he described it.
When it was about 30 feet in diameter, again, still hanging there - not moving at all except for this expanding motion - then he observed what he calls (Nancy makes sh, sh, sh sound) in Dutch for electrical discharge. He and I have these signals we give back and forth because he doesn't speak English too well and I don't speak Dutch at all. And what he means is that he watched electrical discharges coming from the underside of this disc-shaped, misty, pinkish-purple cloud or ball of light for - I would gather - it sounded like six or seven, eight, maybe ten seconds immediately over the field.
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WHAT''S THE TIME LAPSE BETWEEN THAT POOFING OUT AND THEIR DISCOVERING THE CIRCLES?
Well, he went immediately - he literally took about five minutes to throw on some clothes. He was in the field within 10 minutes, I would say, and there it was. He said he could see it from his window after this light had gone. He could see there was at least one circle, and he thought there were two - and they were in fact there. And it looks like the whole situation - as it was coming in from way in the distance - that might have taken a minute or so to get up near his windows. But once it was there, everything that happened subsequently didn't take longer than another minute - the spreading out and then the discharge of whatever this was, and the whole thing happening.
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WHEN HE WAS WATCHING THIS TRANSFORMATION WHICH FASCINATES ME BECAUSE IT'S RARE - IT'S VERY RARE IN THE LAST 40 YEARS OR SO THAT ANYBODY HAS EVER SEEN THIS KIND OF TRANSFORMATION FROM SOMETHING SMALL TO SOMETHING LARGE, BUT IT HAS OCCURRED. AND I HAVE INTERVIEWED PEOPLE WHO HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN MULTIPLE MILITARY EYEWITNESSES TO WATCHING SOMETHING THAT THEY SAID REMINDED THEM OF APPROXIMATELY 10 - 20 FOOT WIDE ASPIRIN SITTING ON THE GROUND THAT SUDDENLY TURNED INTO A LARGE CRAFT.
This is very interesting. He was very clear that it was not a UFO. It was a light, a misty, foggy light, and it apparently retained that character, even when it became disc-like looking. In his opinion, it did not look metallic or solid the way I know many of these reports are. In his mind, or to his eyes, it retained this sort of misty character, even when it became disc-shaped rather than football-shaped.
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......He has a name for it. He thinks he knows its name which I believe he prefers to keep private. He has a name for it he prefers to keep quiet. And it does transmit some sort of telepathic communication about the crop circles being very important for mankind to be paying attention to and he thinks that it has something to do with the environment and deceit - that the crop circles are somehow or other an antidote or there is something about the crop circles that is to fight deceit.
TO FIGHT DECEIT AS LYING AND HIDING?
Yes, in humankind generally. That something like that - he doesn't understand it all. It's not clear. And he has no idea why he himself is involved, but as a parallel to all this - what has happened with him is that he has developed this incredible apparent healing abilities and he has people coming - he makes appointments all day long - now they've limited it to, I think, three days a week - where people come with all sorts of physical and mental problems and he has some ability that he doesn't understand at all to identify what their trouble is and often to heal them. In fact, apparently in the majority of cases, they become well after a session with Robert. And that happened - all this came about after he started getting involved with the crop circles.
IT''S INTERESTING THAT HE WOULD SAY THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH FIGHTING DECEIT BECAUSE THE THING THAT HAS STRUCK ALL OF US OVER THE PAST DECADE IS THEY ARE WORLDWIDE, THEY ARE RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF YOU, AND IT IS AS IF SOMETHING HAS BEEN TRYING TO DO SIGNALING OR COMMUNICATION OUTSIDE OF THE RESTRICTED PARADIGMS OF POLITICAL SYSTEMS.
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[QX The rest of the article at the site . . . I believe the paragraphs just above indicate that the researchers are also sucked into the deceptions of the critters . . . ]
"Sorry to burst any bubbles."
Thanks for your input. No bubbles were burst.
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1407&category=Real+X-Files
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[BELOW THE ARTICLE ABOUT THE DEER MUTILATION]
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Two Helicopters and Large, White Sphere
THAT WAS ON MARCH 20TH WHEN YOU FIRST FOUND THE DEER. FROM YOUR EMAIL, IT WAS ABOUT ONE WEEK EARLIER IN THE NIGHT THAT SOMETHING VERY UNUSUAL OCCURRED THAT YOU SAW WITH YOUR OWN EYES?
Yes. About one week earlier around 10 PM – the reason I know the time was that we have two small dogs and we generally take them out between 10 and 10:30 PM for their last walk. As I was leaving the trailer and walking toward the tree line, these - I heard a noise, a soft noise that became louder and seemed to be coming from the left. As I looked, I heard a much louder roar of the first helicopter coming out over the trees and into an open area over a small lake. Then, following the helicopter – it looked as though it was a very large beam of light. But when I looked at it closely, it seemed to be round (sphere). From where I was and where the object was, I would say it was about 5 to 7 feet in diameter.
SO THIS IS A ROUND, GLOWING BALL BETWEEN TWO HELICOPTERS AND THE BALL THAT IS GLOWING IS AT LEAST 5 TO 7 FEET IN DIAMETER?
Yes. And it was a bright, white light. It was not flashing or changing colors. It was just a steady, continuous white light. It turned out that the (spherical) light changed distance between the first and second helicopters.
YOU SAW IT MOVE IN FORWARD OR BACKWARD MOTION?
That’s right, in a forward or backward motion. And then it was from my left to the right. And then it disappeared over the trees. So, I only saw it for about 30 seconds at the most and then it disappeared over the trees and just continued and the sounds of the two helicopters became less and less until they finally disappeared.
THEY JUST KEPT MOVING IN THIS TRIAD OUT OF SIGHT.
Yes. And the distance from where I was standing with my two small pets to the helicopter line of flight probably was five to six blocks – so I would say it was a good 1,000 feet in front of me.
Two Helicopters and Red, Glowing Sphere
in Savernake Forest, Wiltshire, England, August 2005
On August 17, 2006, at the Silent Circle Cafe in Cherhill, Wiltshire, England, I met and talked with Kate Fenn about an encounter she and a colleague had with military helicopters, which seemed to be aggressively interacting with a large, red, glowing sphere above a crop formation in the Savernake Forest near Marlborough. The date of her encounter was in early August 2005. See: 081706Earthfiles.
Kate Fenn is the Community Care Officer for the Adult Health and Social Care Team at Savernake Hospital in Marlborough. Kate and one of her hospital colleagues were driving toward Ramsbury on the Stitchcomb farm road in the Savernake Forest.
I decided to pull over and have a look at exactly what they were doing because they appeared to be hovering there at that time. The noise was extraordinary! The trees were quite wild around us. I saw a luminous red ball of light that was underneath the helicopters and was moving independently from them without any effort at all. The type of red it glowed was kind of ketchup red, a tomato red, which seemed to be contained in the form, which would have been about five feet in diameter. Not that great a size, but the sphere was moving quite rapidly when it chose to. The light seemed to be conscious with intelligence and moved across the triangle formation that was there, which was situated down in a dip in the land. We were very aware of this ball of light moving, almost playing with these helicopters. The helicopters were just above it, trying to follow it across the field. But the light didn’t seem to be perturbed by the two helicopters at all.
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Very interesting drawing at the link.
Sorry friend, but even Crop Circle Connector states that its likely a hoax. The hoaxer is named John Wabe (look it up). He did it at ‘First Cut Studios’ in Bristol, UK...
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/CPRI/wabe99.html
More to the point, confirmation of alien visits to this planet requires scientific evaluation. That means measurement. In the video link posted for this thread
there are 2 major problems. First, no attempt is made to identify a hoaxer (see above) or any other problem with the video. Second, the physicist in the video, Dr. Haselhoff, claims that the lenghened crop stems (nodes) correspond to the the equation for electromagnetic energy radiation (dispersion in this case).
The equation for electromagnetic energy dispersion is simple. The energy value, as a function of distance from its source, in inversely propotional to the square of the distance. This can be confirmed and measured even with a simple light bulb and photometer. Dr. Haselhoff claims that ‘in crop circles’ (Note: he does NOT refer to the crop circles supposedly made by these lights in the video) lengthened crop stems (nodes) some stem lengthening satisfies this equation. I have seen videos about lengthened and bent crop stems, but Dr. Haselhoff never provides or refers to any such physical evidence. He makes a claim with no physical measurements to back his claim. While crop stem deformation is interesting, and is a fascinating aspect of crop circles (in the rare cases where they have been found), mere deformation is NOT proof of alien visitation.
Were he to provide measurementsI would expect to find a strong correllation, across multiple samples, that demonstrated that crop node deformation directly correlated with the center of a crop circle. Specifcally, if his claim is to be believed, I would expect the rate of deformation to rapidly decrease as the distance from the center of the crop circle increased, and to do so per the inverse square relationship I described. He neither provides nor cites any measurements that substantiate this or any other aspect of his claim. He may very well be correct, but measurements are a requirement.
One also must ask what, if any, control sample he used.
In the end, this is about science, not what impression a video may make upon you. I do believe that there is substantial evidence that we are being visited by aliens, but this video is not, in my opinion, proof of that.
The lights in the field footage was found to be fake years ago.
How do you know the slight microwaving of plant nodes, microfine iron dustings, super dried soil, etc. are really present? Have you observed these yourself? Probably not therefore you have to rely on the researcher’s word. There are inherently many problems with that. Peer review does not confer infallibility to a study’s findings. Global Warming research comes to mind. In fact many fields have “peer reviewed” journals that are held in low regard due to known lapses in peer review integrity. Then there are just honest mistakes discovered as we learn more about a particular topic. The field of Medicine for instance is frequently forced to rewrite the books as new knowledge alters what we thought we knew based on peer reviewed studies.
Has it been determined that those findings are truly different and unnatural and not what might occur on either end of a spectrum of naturally occuring conditions?
I’m not picking with you and not trying to get under your skin. I haven’t made up my mind about the topic but would put more faith in the research if it was pursued by larger numbers instead of the usual suspects.
See Post 73
Welllllllllllllllll,
There are several articles in I forget how many agricultural peer reviewed journals.
Those do talk about control samples as well as a fair list of measurements of various types.
But, hey—believe not, if you wish. There are at least some month(?s?) left on the capacity to do that fairly sanely.
I do hope some folks learn to avoid setting themselves up for a TYPE II error UNNECESSARLY and OVERWHELMINGLY.
Because TYPE II errors really ARE AS DEADLY as TYPE I errors.
I don’t really expect most naysayers hereon to respect the peer reviewed journal articles they screamed for, for so many years. I knew it was a falst demand to begin with. I knew they only respected their own brilliance, to begin with.
Nevertheless, such are available for those with any fair-mindedness available.
Cheers.
Fair enough. I am aware of the plant node deformation that has been found in some crop circles, and I think that warrants serious study. But in this case the video is a known hoax so it would be interesting to know what samples from that specific set of crop circles looked like.
BTW... what are the Type I and Type II errors you mentioned? Not sure that I’ve ever heard that terminology.
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