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Is Recession Preparing a New Breed of Survivalist? [Survival Today - an On going Thread #2]
May 05th,2008

Posted on 02/09/2009 12:36:11 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny

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http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/02healthlibwelcome.html

Catalogs Of The Health Library

Alternative Medical Therapies
Here are the books connected with naturopathy, natural hygiene and similar systems, concerns about vaccination, iridiagnosis, sclerology and other health/healing/medical matters. .

General Bibliography
Here is a list of valuable health-related books gathered from 25 years of study. Some are by natural hygienists and others aren’t. There are no “clinkers” in this list. There is also information here about where to obtain print-on-paper copies of these titles if these exist for sale at this time.

Longevity and Nutrition
Throughout the last century there has been much interest in isolated peoples that possessed greater health than most, who lived longer and seemed more vigorous. Why was this? Do these examples of the human potential have something to teach us about the principles of proper nutrition?

HOME PAGE Agriculture Library Sovereignty Library


4,881 posted on 03/17/2009 4:13:42 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: Marmolade; DelaWhere

I missed that post. What’s dry canning all about?


4,882 posted on 03/17/2009 4:44:31 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: All; Rushmore Rocks

http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0203CAT/020321.graham.bread.htm

TREATISE ON BREAD,

AND

BREAD-MAKING.

BY SYLVESTER GRAHAM.

“Bread strengtheneth man’s heart.”—HOLY WRIT.

BOSTON:
LIGHT & STEARNS, 1 CORNHILL.
1837.

Entered according to Act of Congress, in the year 1837, by LIGHT & STEARNS, in the Clerk’s Office of the District Court of Massachusetts.

Reprinted by
LEE FOUNDATION FOR NUTRITIONAL RESEARCH
Milwaukee 1, Wisconsin

[It is all on this page, interesting and strangely with a fast read, it reads as tho it were written today.

Take time to read it, there is a lot of truth in it....granny]


4,883 posted on 03/17/2009 4:49:45 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

Speaking of bread, I just ordered several containers of hard red wheat.(and some other long term storage whole grains) Now, I’m looking for a good non-electric grinder. Any suggestions?


4,884 posted on 03/17/2009 5:39:14 AM PDT by Rushmore Rocks
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To: All

THE
WHEEL OF HEALTH

by

G. T. WRENCH, M.D. (Lond.)

http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0203CAT/020301wrench/02030100frame.html

A Man of Hunza
Reproduced with kind permission from “Unknown Karakoram”
by Colonel R.C.F. Schomberg (Martin Hopkinson, Ltd., London)

Originally printed in 1938
by
LONDON: THE C. W. DANIEL COMPANY LTD.
Available in the Soil and Health Library
by permission of the C.W. Daniel Company, Ltd.


http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0203CAT/020301wrench/020301ch7-9.html

[part of chapter 9, re: Hunza gardens]

PART II — CULTIVATION

The cultivation of the Hunza is that of irrigated, staircase terraces in mountain valleys, and it is probable that it is not only the greatest but it is also the oldest form of agriculture. That is not proven, but it is a growing conviction which Professor Haldane voices in The Inequality of Man (1932) that “agriculture started in the mountains, and only later spread to the river valleys.”

The importance of the method of culture of food is primary, radical, and fundamental in the matter of health. It exceeds all other aspects of nutrition—if, that is, one separates any aspect of what is a whole. I make no apology, therefore, for asking my readers to leave the Himalaya for a time and transfer themselves to the next mightiest range of mountains, the Andes of Peru. It was in their valleys that the irrigated, staircase farming reached its highest known development.

Twenty years ago the National Geographic Society of the United States sent an expedition to Peru to study the relics of agricultural methods of its ancient people. Mr. O. F. Cook, of the Bureau of Plant Industry of the U.S.A. Department of Agriculture, was attached as botanist, and he published a report entitled “Staircase Farms of the Ancients” in the Society’s magazine of May, 1916.

“Agriculture is not a lost art,” are his opening words, “but must be reckoned as one of those which reached a remarkable development in the remote past and afterward declined. The system of the ancient Peruvians enabled them to support large populations in places where modern farmers would be helpless.”

The system reached its culmination centuries before Columbus discovered America, and before the Incas ruled in Peru. The people who created it have left no written records and bear no historic name. They are, therefore, called after the most striking feature of their work, the megalithic people, because they built the walls of their terraced fields and aqueducts of great stones. These they made to fit, the one with the other, with such accuracy that even to this day they are like those of the Egyptian pyramids, a knife blade cannot be inserted between them.

The megalithic people were great builders with stone. So, following the same traditions, were the Incas. But the work under the Incas was not such a careful fitting, and frequently the interspaces were filled in with clay.

The method of their making of a stairway of terraced fields need not be described. It is much the same as that followed in other mountainous parts, such as, for one, the present Gilgit Agency. The result is a small flat field. Photographed in cross-section, the fields show so many feet of coarse stones and clay below and so many of soil above. The soil was originally imported from beyond the great mountains, for the steep mountain slopes and valleys did not provide it in sufficient quantity. It was refreshed by the silt which the irrigating water brought from the mountains. The soil is still in its place to this day, and to this day each terrace shows the same inside structure whenever walls are removed.

The fields rise up the slopes of the mountains, tier upon tier, for sometimes over fifty tiers. Some of the walls of the megalithic people are so enormous and well fitted and so formidable in their show of power, that most western travellers have believed them to be fortresses and described them as such, which “only shows how far our own race is from appreciating the devotion of the ancient people to their agricultural pursuits.”

Similar fields were built in the valleys themselves. Valley rivers were straightened in their courses and their destructive overflows controlled.

Such were the megalithic achievements in reclamation, besides which, says Cook, in italics, “our undertakings sink into insignificance on the face of what this vanished race accomplished. The narrow floors and steep walls of rocky valleys that would appear utterly worthless and hopeless to our engineers were transformed, literally made over, into fertile lands, and were the homes of teeming populations in the prehistoric days.” Even to this day thousands of these acres are still fertile and the main support of the native population, who accept them as a matter of course and make no enquiry as to their origin.

The staircase fields were irrigated. The aqueducts were often of great length. Prescott states that “one that traversed the district of Condesuyu measured between four and five hundred miles.” Cook publishes a photograph of an aqueduct as a thin dark line traversing a steep mountain wall many hundreds of feet above the valley. It gives one an overwhelming impression of these colossal works, a sudden sense of the stupendousness which is theirs. They were national works, solely for the good of the people. Beside them, as Cook says, the far-famed hanging gardens of Babylon—a pyramid with broad steps of troughs holding soil—was a toy; built, perhaps, to please Nebuchadnezzar’s Median queen as a reminder of the terraced culture of her home.

Such works must, one thinks, have supported an agriculture no less wonderful than themselves. This was the case. These Peruvian staircase gardens were a centre, and probably the most important centre, where the agriculture of indigenous American civilizations was created. In them were domesticated and from them were dispersed over the rest of the Americas many vegetable foods.

“The following partial list of the Peruvian crop plants,” writes Mr. Cook, “may give an idea of the extent and variety of domestications that were accomplished in Peru: Achupalla (pineapple), anu (Tropacolum), apichu (sweet potato), apincoya (Grandilla), arracacacha (Arracacia), chirimaya, chui (bean), coca (Erythroxylum), cumara (sweet potato), inchis (peanut), oca (oxalic), pallar (Lima bean), papa (potato), papaya poro (bottle gourd), purutu (frejol), quinoa (Chenopodium), rocoto (Capsicum), rumu (Manihot), sauwinto (guava), sara (maize), tintin (Tacsonia), ullucu (Ullucus), uncucha (Xanthosna), utar (cotton).

“A complete list of the plants that were cultivated by the ancient Peruvians has yet to be made, but it will probably include between seventy and eighty species. A large part are root crops, vegetables and fruits, but some are seed crops, pot herbs, condiments, medicinal plants, dyes, and ornamentals. Annual plants predominate in numbers and importance, but perennials, shrubs and trees are also well represented.”

Returning to the Gilgit Agency, one would expect similarities between the conditions of the Andes and north-western Himalaya, both ranges of exceeding loftiness, well sunned and without excessive rainfall. One would expect these similarities to produce from intelligent peoples a similarity of agriculture.

The agriculture of the valleys of the Gilgit Agency are cultivated by means of terraced fields and irrigation, as were the valleys of ancient Peru.

Further, the area of the Gilgit Agency and its neighbour, the mountainous parts of Afghanistan, once formed an agricultural centre in the same way as Peru. The resemblance of the two greatest mountain areas is very close indeed.

Hunza, which is the best product of the Gilgit Agency, itself is but a microcosm of the Peruvian Empire. In both the people were eager for land, they were in the modern phrase starved for land. Upon their own great efforts depended their continuance as a people in the mountain valleys. So both became distinguished at their best by the arduous perfection of their toil.

It is a most happy fortune that one of the visitors of Hunza was a man who combined artistic sense,historical knowledge, love of mountains, and a sensitive observation in a degree which would be rare in each several faculty. The late Lord Conway explored and climbed both in the Andes and the Western Himalaya.

He was the first to place the redoubtable Hunza in their rightful historic place. “The terraced fields,” he wrote, in The Bolivian Andes (1901)—Bolivia was a part of Ancient Peru— “reaching aloft, awake vivid reminiscences of the mountain scenery of the north-west frontier of India—as, for instance, in Hunza, where the native population are living in a stage of civilization that must bear no little likeness to that of the Peruvians under Inca government.”

In Climbing and Exploration in the Karakorum Himalaya (1894), seven years before his visit to the Andes, Conway gave a picture of Hunza which he came to recognize as a microcosm of Ancient Peru. He was on his way to Baltit, the capital of Hunza.

“The path that leads up to Baltit is bordered on either side by a wall of dry cyclopean masonry, the undressed component parts of which are very large and excellently fitted together. Where the slope steepens these walls are placed further apart, and short zigzags are built up between them—a monumental piece of simple engineering. We walked slowly, for there was much to look at, the cultivation being everywhere admirable and each step disclosing some new detail of beauty or interest. The whole of this side of the debris-filled floor of the valley between the cliffs and edge of the river’s gorge is covered with terraced fields. They are terraced because they must be flat in order that the irrigating water may lie on them. The downward edge of each terrace must be supported by a strong stone wall, and every one of these is of cyclopean work, like those just described. The cultivated area of the oasis is some five square miles in extent. When it is remembered that the individual fields average as many as twenty to the acre, it will be seen what a stupendous mass of work was involved in the building of these walls and the collection of earth to fill them. The walls have every appearance of great antiquity, and alone suffice to prove the long existence in this remote valley of an organized and industrious community. . . .

“To build these fields was the smaller part of the difficulties that husbandmen had to face in Hunza. The fields also had to be irrigated. For this purpose there was but one perennial supply of water—the torrent from the Ultar glacier. The snout of that glacier, as has been stated, lies deep in a rockbound gorge, whose sides are for a space perpendicular cliffs. The torrent had to be tapped, and a canal of sufficient volume to irrigate so large an area had to be carried across the face of one of these precipices. The Alps contain no Wasserleitung which for volume and boldness of position can be compared to the Hunza canal. It is a wonderful work for such toolless people as the Hunzakats to have accomplished, and it must have been done many centuries ago and maintained ever since, for it is the life-blood of the valley.”

The Peruvians were also comparatively toolless. “That they should have accomplished these difficult works with such tools as they possessed is truly wonderful,” are Prescott’s words.

Conway continues with a brief account of the social system of the Hunza, which was at his time a miniature of that of the Incas of Peru. He calls it semi-civilized. I do not think that is a permissible term. It is a fully developed form of association of men for their own benefit, supported by tradition and an accepted form of authority for its execution and adaptation to any unusual conditions that occur. It is, in a word, a definite form of agricultural civilization.

continues...


4,885 posted on 03/17/2009 5:46:25 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: nw_arizona_granny; All
The Great Sunflower Project

Join the Hunt for Bees!

By watching and recording the bees at sunflowers in your garden, you can help us understand the challenges that bees are facing. We'll be sending out annual Lemon Queen sunflower seeds in early March 2009. Just in time to plant!

*It takes less than 30 minutes.
*It's easy.
*Free Sunflower seeds for planting.
*No knowledge of bees required!

4,886 posted on 03/17/2009 5:48:50 AM PDT by Alice in Wonderland
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To: CottonBall; DelaWhere

Putting up the rice and beans was sooooo easy. My only regret is I could only fit 12 jars in the oven on a cookie tray. Maybe if I used one with no sides I could fit a few more jars in there. My jars are all tucked away on a shelf for later use. DW did tell me to put the lids and rings on loosely when putting the jars in the oven, then tighten them down when you take them out. Then just listen for the “music”.


4,887 posted on 03/17/2009 6:51:37 AM PDT by Marmolade
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To: metmom; DelaWhere

I don’t know if that’s a real term or not, but I used it to describe canning dry ingredients like rice and beans. DelaWhere explained the process way back and it was the first time I had tried it. Real easy to do.


4,888 posted on 03/17/2009 6:53:49 AM PDT by Marmolade
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To: All; PGalt; Velveeta; Calpernia; Rushmore Rocks

US-CERT Current Activity

Waledac Trojan Horse Spam Campaign Circulating

Original release date: March 17, 2009 at 9:08 am
Last revised: March 17, 2009 at 9:08 am

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spam email messages related to bogus terror attacks in the recipient’s
local area. These messages use subject lines implying that a fatal
bomb attack has occurred near the recipient and contain a link to
“breaking news.” Users who click on the link will be taken to a site
posing as a Reuters news article that contains a bogus news story
about the fatal bomb attack. The systems serving the bogus news story
check a visiting user’s IP address to obtain a geographical location
to insert a nearby placename into the bogus article. The articles also
contain links to video content, claiming that the latest Flash Player
is required to view the video. If users attempt to update or install
the Flash Player from the link provided in the article, their systems
may become infected with malicious code.

US-CERT encourages users and administrators to take the following
preventative measures to help mitigate the security risks:
* Install antivirus software, and keep the virus signatures up to
date.
* Do not follow unsolicited links and do not open unsolicited email
messages.
* Use caution when visiting untrusted websites.
* Use caution when downloading and installing applications.
* Obtain software applications and updates directly from the
vendor’s website.
* Refer to the Recognizing and Avoiding Email Scams (pdf) document
for more information on avoiding email scams.
* Refer to the Avoiding Social Engineering and Phishing Attacks
document for more information on social engineering attacks.

Relevant Url(s):
http://www.us-cert.gov/cas/tips/ST04-014.html

http://www.us-cert.gov/reading_room/emailscams_0905.pdf


This entry is available at
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4,889 posted on 03/17/2009 6:56:15 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: Rushmore Rocks; DelaWhere; Eagle50AE; Wneighbor; All; JDoutrider

I’m looking for a good non-electric grinder. Any suggestions?<<<

My first suggestion, is to look for an almost flat rock, that has a little lower center of an inch or so, then find a smooth rock that fits your hand and pound away.

We will ask the experts, they know, for they have talked about their mills for wheat here on the thread.

I think walton feed.com has one that someone bought, maybe it was JD, he was anxious to use it.

I don’t have one, so won’t have an opinion on them from first hand experience.

Help, what is the best non-electric flour mill?

Thanks to all of you who know the answer....LOL


4,890 posted on 03/17/2009 7:19:29 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: Alice in Wonderland

The Great Sunflower Project<<<

What a fun project, but more bees than you think are on the sunflowers at day break.

Here most of my bee activity was always at the break of dawn.


4,891 posted on 03/17/2009 7:21:11 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

Thanks, Ruth.


4,892 posted on 03/17/2009 7:22:02 AM PDT by Rushmore Rocks
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To: Marmolade; DelaWhere
DW did tell me to put the lids and rings on loosely when putting the jars in the oven, then tighten them down when you take them out.

I'm glad you told me that - I was going to leave the lids off while they were in the oven - so the moisture could escape, I thought. Wasn't there something about boiling the lids to soften the rubber seal?
4,893 posted on 03/17/2009 7:31:37 AM PDT by CottonBall
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To: nw_arizona_granny
Somehow, keeping the good people behind bars is not the way it should be.

Ain't that right!
4,894 posted on 03/17/2009 7:33:11 AM PDT by CottonBall
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To: All; DelaWhere

Have you read about this greenhouse covering, it should work and it is amazing how he makes the bubbles for the sandwiched layers.........use soap.

As I read it, join his Yahoo group and the plans are posted....

granny

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/steve_bosserman/2007/10/09/greenhouses_that_change_the_world.htm

October 09, 2007
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Greenhouses That Change the World
Categories
Knowledge Broker
Social Agriculture
Social Justice

Rick Nelson is the inventor of SolaRoof, a novel approach to greenhouse design and function that integrates a unique covering, heating / cooling system, and infrastructure / framework. It will revolutionize the greenhouse industry. More than that, once the materials are certified for use in human habitation, it will be disruptive to the housing and building industry as well. So what is SolaRoof, anyway, and why does it carry such potential to change the world? Let’s find out.

Revolutionary Technology:
The greenhouse construction is unlike any other. Rather than a single layer of covering or glazing there are two. Each layer is a laminate of woven fiber mesh sandwiched in between two sheets of transparent plastic material. The laminated layers are sealed against the top and bottom of the roof and wall frames to create air-tight spaces. This combination by itself offers hardly any insulating value. However, fill the space with bubbles—yes, bubbles—and the equation becomes totally different!

The distance between the two layers varies depending on the desired amount of insulating value. Each inch is roughly equivalent to an R-factor of 1. A distance of a little over a yard yields an R-factor of nearly 40. That is almost unheard of in traditional construction techniques. And given the transparency of the two layers of covering, over 80% of the photosynthesis-catalyzing sunlight reaches the inside of the greenhouse.

In the SolaRoof webpage: Green Buildings for Urban Agriculture and Solar Living, two illustrations show how the process works from one extreme season to the next. Quite ingenius!

Here is a picture of a greenhouse unit as its side is being filled with bubbles:

Bubble Generation.jpg

And here is what it looks like when the cavity is completely full:

Bubble Filled.jpg

Unbounded Architectural Form:
While the technology is intriguing, it is only part of the picture when determining the disruptive value of SolaRoof. Another feature is that the shape of the structure is no longer confined to a standard box or cube that characterizes many homes, buildings, or greenhouses. It can be made to fit into an infinite array of shapes, sizes, and configurations. One of Rick’s collaborators, Harvey Rayner, who is the founder of Solar Bubble Build, describes the possibilities of the SolaRoof medium as follows:

“Architecture has been a long-held passion for me, but my unwillingness to engage in academic study has kept me from pursuing any real investigation into this field. Now, having started this project initially as a practical solution to expanding my wife’s rare herb growing business, I have become engrossed in the process of designing, building and developing this technology.

Increasingly, I am viewing this work as an inroad towards one day creating pure and functional architectural forms. For me, this new breed of building gets right to the heart of how form can follow function. I believe with this technology as a starting point, unique structures can be derived which reflect the beauty of the inner workings of this truly sustainable building solution.”

Several examples of Harvey’s designs are featured on Bluegreen Future Buildings.

Open Source for Everyone:
While Rick has spent over thirty years developing and refining the technologies associated with SolaRoof materials and applications, the bulk or his output is non-proprietary and open source. Anyone is welcome to join the SolaRoof Yahoo! Group wherein there are member information exchanges, articles about SolaRoof, photos, and diagrams—all is free for the taking. Rick sums it up quite well in his introduction to the SolaRoof group:

“You are welcome to join this open source collaboration where we are developing and sharing DIY(Do It Yourself) know-how for building transparent solar structures. To enhance our collaborative development of the SolaRoof methods we now are building a knowledge base where everyone can contribute to building the SolaRoofWiKi. SolaRoof structures may include but are not limited to greenhouses, sunspaces, roof gardens, residential spaces... The goal of our discussion is how to use the sun’s energy to grow food, cool and heat spaces efficiently, rather than rely on fossil fuels and power grids. Our technology includes the use of bubbles to shade and insulate glazing systems, together with liquid solar collection and thermal mass storage, although any related discussions are welcome!”

SolaRoof Saves World:
This bold pronouncement is found on hi-trust.tv, one of Chris Macrae’s video experiments. Chris, knowledge management and branding expert, offered the following endorsement of the power and potential of SolaRoof:

“Rick has also been using what I amateurishly call photosynthesis agriculture and architecture innovations for over 20 years. I have known him for about 4 years in my capacity of hosting radical innovation meetings round London. I suggest a triple-wishing game - you mention a region or peoples in the world where sustainability that matters most to you, and Rick answers with what is doable now, what is developing, and what is his biggest collaboration wish for the region.

Perhaps we can make more videos if people decide this is one of the world’s great unknown practices worthy of a bit more open source weaving. (see Chris Macrae and Rick Nelson on YouTube)

Equally, if anyone knows someone else with inventions that empower every community to the other side of sustainability fuels (water, food, energy) crises, please see if they will join in. I would like to publish a small leaflet on the 5 most radically open guides to how peoples everywhere could collaborate around human sustainability if we take up the challenge and agree urgency is so great that we don’t need any marginal solutions; we need radical experiments...”

And in a posting on crisisclimate.tv, Chris describes the ramifications for SolaRoof as the underpinnings for a new business enterprise, Life Synthesis LLP, that aspires to the following:

“...to shelter residential communities within SolaRoof systems. This includes replacing conventional resource and energy intensive climate control systems with new and dynamic structures that capture and use solar energy by bringing daylight and plants into buildings. These ecologically designed, low cost SolaRoof structures use energy capture, storage, and cooling methods to incorporate plants, water and water based liquids, creating an integrated ecosystem within the building itself. SolaRoof is both accessible and affordable to those living in poverty, but at the same time desirable to the affluent.”

The Ball Is in Your Court
And that becomes an open invitation for any and all to take the opportunity afforded by this concept and apply it so that it makes a positive difference for the people directly involved, the community, the planet. Well worth the time and effort required to take up the challenge and do the right thing!

posted by Steve Bosserman on Tuesday October 9 2007

The bubble-producing agent is ordinary soap. There are three stages in bubble production: generation, regeneration, and destruction. All three stages involve three components: bubble generator (a simple blower and shroud unit), reservoirs on either side to collect the bubble agent after bubble production and usage, and a pump / plumbing to move the bubble agent from the reservoirs to the bubble generator. There is a complete, easy-to-follow description of this process on file at the SolaRoof Yahoo! Group, http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/solaroof/. Any and all are welcome to join. Steve B.

Posted by: Sepp on October 9, 2007 03:48 AM


4,895 posted on 03/17/2009 7:50:43 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: Rushmore Rocks

You are welcome, sorry I didn’t have a better answer, but maybe I did, I asked those who do know.


4,896 posted on 03/17/2009 8:06:03 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

hmmmm, I’m worried about you granny. If crazy criminals know you’re there and can’t defend your property (other than the inside of the house, of course), when TSHTF I’ll be worried about you.....do you have some family/friends nearby?


4,897 posted on 03/17/2009 8:21:17 AM PDT by CottonBall
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To: CottonBall; DelaWhere

He said to boil the lids for 5 min. (do I have that right, DW?), dry them with paper towel and place on jars. Then put the rings on loose before placing in oven. I was going to do the same thing, open jars in oven, then try to put lids and rings on, but this worked great. Just tighten them up when you take them out and wait for the pings as they cool down. Try it, it’s good fun!


4,898 posted on 03/17/2009 8:29:17 AM PDT by Marmolade
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To: nw_arizona_granny
The best I could find for the money came from Walton Feed...

The Grinder-Wonder Junior (Deluxe) at $219.95.

Will give all a report when I get Home to use it next week!

4,899 posted on 03/17/2009 9:16:49 AM PDT by JDoutrider
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To: All

Lack of bamboo makes one vulgar

Lack of pork makes one thin

In order to avoid vulgarity and slenderness

Have pork with bamboo shoots now and then.

Su Tun Po (12th-century)

http://www.josayoung.co.uk/page12.htm


4,900 posted on 03/17/2009 10:08:49 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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