Posted on 01/02/2009 1:16:10 PM PST by patriot08
Ed Hale of Plains Radio has secured a copy of the Dunham/Obama divorce decree as promised. He has registered this at the courthouse and has turned the document over to lawyers who are reported to be happy and enthused over the contents.
This is the first page. This is all that can be divulged at this time as those who have seen the decree are sworn to silence. You may hear information about it tonight on Ed's plainsradio show.
"However, in 1795 the Congress passed the Naturalization Act of 1795 which removed the words "natural born" from this statement to state that such children born to citizens beyond the seas are citizens of the U.S., but are not legally to be considered "natural born citizens" of the U.S. This was done to clarify for those living at that time who was and who was not a "natural born citizen" per the framers intent at that time, since the 1790 Act had introduced confusion into that subject in regards to the use of those words in the Constitution. George Washington was also President in 1795, and thus he was aware of this change. And if he disagreed with the clarification and change in the wording in the new act in 1795, he would have vetoed the Naturalization Act of 1795."
Thomas Jefferson wrote Virginia’s birthright law of 1777 requiring the father to be a citizen:
“We can say with confidence that a natural-born citizen of the United States means those persons born whose father the United States already has an established jurisdiction over, i.e., born to father’s who are themselves citizens of the United States.“
The “natural born” Clause’s origins have been traced to a July 25, 1787 letter from John Jay to the presiding officer of the Constitutional Convention, George Washington. Jay wrote, “Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.”
Did Toots, want to lend an air of prestige to her daughter's birth announcement by supplying said address to the newspaper?
Was the address supplied by Toots and if so, was it a ruse?
Was the address taken from the certificate of live birth registration, and a mix-up occurred by Hawaiian officials when they supplied the address to the press?
Did a beat reporter get the address mixed up at the source; either at the bureau of vital statistics or the hospital?
Did the hospital provide an address through a mix up with another birth?
Final two part question, what's the answer and what's the motive?
What conditions would most foster the least amount of foreign influence on a nation’s people?
Be born to two of it’s citizen’s on that nation’s soil.
The framers didn’t waste a lot of words on the US Constitution, so the words had to count AND be simple to understand.
I get it, you get it, others get it. There are some though, that DO NOT GET IT!
What I don’t understand, is WHY they don’t get it. The last few comments on this thread are crystal clear about what a natural born citizen is and is not.
I guess in the end, where the Obamas lived with Jr. after his birth, is more or less inconsequential, relative to the larger issue (pertaining to) where he was born... I suppose, the possibility of subterfuge regarding the birth announcement address (the cottage) should come as no surprise. Perhaps the cottage (address) is the quintessential wild goose chase?
Care to venture a guess as to why it was used?
Boredom. Arguing = Entertainment.
Axelturfing.
People enjoy arguing on the net, what with the limited consequences if they are proved wrong.
Axelturfing.
To appear scholarly.
Axelturfing.
Does not fit their agenda.
Axelturfing.
Attention through turmoil.
Now, your turn.
This is my supposition as to why the Kalianiole Hwy address was used, IF indeed Grandma posted the announcement to the paper.
Because she wanted to legitimize Jrs’ birth - now we know they were married, due to seeing the divorce decree, but there’s a good possibility by that time there was not a real marriage in any sense of the term, and they probably were not living together. To post an annoucenment with an address makes the marriage seem more normal and real.
Of course, if the announcement is fraudulent that’s something else; I can’t remember if the originals were found - if anyone knows let me know.
I think those reasons about cover it. There is no benign reason. Someone truly interested would study up and realize that most likely there is SOMETHING wrong, and they would also realize and admit that a “natural born” citizen is not equal in every way to a “citizen”.
Legitimizing their marriage, is as good a reason as any, that I’ve heard of, for the unlikely submission of 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy, as the newlyweds first nest...
I grasp what you are conveying in your post... let me rephrase what you are saying: a ‘citizen’ is not equal in every way to a ‘natural born citizen.’ Makes perfect sense to me, BECAUSE, the framers intended for a ‘n.b.c.’ to be something more than a ‘citizen,’ SPECIFICALLY, regarding the - office - of - President. No mystery. Common sense.
A president with secrets is a president easily blackmailed.
Obama has a lot of secrets.
I believe that Ann had a “shotgun wedding” and then discovered her husband was a rake willing to become involved with any number of co-eds.(The little tidbit Frank Marshall Davis wrote in his biography was the teaser, “...a Kenyan student split, leaving behind TWO pregnant blondes”) Her parents sent her to her mother’s friend in Seattle and the friend made arrangements for Ann to go to an unwed mother’s home in Vancouver where she would give birth and give the baby up for adoption. Her parents had made such a deal with her and told her she could attend UW afterwards.(which she had wanted to do anyway) Her high school friends at the time had already commented about the fact that if they encountered blacks while they were out they would cross the street to avoid them. The scandal of a white girl giving birth to a black baby would have driven Ann out of the area, while Vancouver B.C. was quite experienced in dealing with many different races and intermingling. Once Ann gave birth she changed her mind and asked her mother’s friend to come and get her. Arriving back in Seattle Ann phoned her parents and told them which prompted Madelyn to go register the birth (in 1961 the word of an immediate relative was sufficient to register a birth, unlike now when they ask for medical check-ups from before birth, well baby records etc.) Madelyn being the mortgage administrator at Bankoh knew of a safe address to use and her registration of birth generated the birth announcement. As some people have said it was a pretty long term conspiracy to register a birth and have a birth announcement in the paper. It was NEVER about a future run for the presidency, it was to “preserve her daughter’s honor” and lend legitimacy to the birth. In early 1963 Ann notified her parents she was coming back to HI and they rented the apartment for her at 110 1427 Alexander St. She once again moved in with her parents at the home at 2277 Kamehameha Ave when she registered to attend the spring 1963 semester at UH at Manoa. As I have said before Madelyn’s co-workers didn’t know she had a grandson until Jr arrived at the bank one day after he began attending Punahou. Grandpa was his companion and grandpa was the one who was instrumental in Jr attending Punahou. Grandma was simply the purse.
Also have you noticed that only one baby picture has been released and it wasn’t released until after Madelyn passed away. The picture is of a 6 to 8 month old, is a professional portrait with no one else in it. I suspect Ann had the picture taken to give to her parents for their anniversary. How many first time grandparents do you know who don’t take plenty of pictures of their first born grandchild? We have seen many photos of Jr after Ann returned to HI in 1963 but only the one baby picture and absolutely no infant pictures!
Do you think he was born in Vancouver BC, then? What is your viewpoint of the Kenya place of birth - do you give any credence to that? Of course, if Hale produces something that documents that we will all know.
Many are postulating that Kenya may be the birth- home of record, for Obama JR., when in fact it might be Canada!
BLAME CANADA! LOL
Ed Hale, you twisted man, give us the goods NOW!
Given the amount of money which it would take to fly to Kenya and back and the fact that Ann would not have been able to have the needed immunizations I doubt the Kenya birth story. People keep focusing on that and don’t think of any other place where the birth could have taken place. People are also looking to Cambridge as a Port of Entry for Ann returning from Kenya with Jr but they fail to look at what is known. Sr’s main monetary sponsor for his schooling in the U.S., Elizabeth Mooney Kirk, wrote a letter to Tom Mboya in MAY 1962 asking if another sponsor could be found so Sr could attend graduate school, preferably at Harvard! Sr’s plans weren’t definite in May of 1962 let alone earlier in 1961!
I thought of something much simpler that also fits in with what usually occurred in situations such as Ann’s in 1961. The one story in Jr’s book which I do believe is actually true is the one when there was a huge fight during Sr’s visit to HI in 1971 which brought to light long buried resentments and recriminations all because Sr tried to act like a father and told Jr to turn the t.v. off and go study. Those resentments would be how Sr had acted in 1961 and they came boiling to the surface when he visited in 1971.
Thanks for your input. Now, isn’t Ed Hale supposed to come up with something tonight?
That’s the scuttlebutt. We shall see. In the meantime I am going to freepmail my previous long-winded post of what I believe happened to a freeper who frequents the chat room over at Plains Radio. If people look at all of the evidence they will see that Obama Sr didn’t have concrete plans in May of 1962 let alone in spring or summer of 1961.
Now a Dr. Haygen? on... explaining the law that provides for an objection known as a point of order to the electoral college vote on Jan. 8th. Pleading with the audience to call their Senators and Representatives to call for an objection of Obama, due to ineligibility, using the point of order clause. Oklahoma State Representative Mike Ritze is a caller deferring to this DR. Haygen?.
Ad libbing: Clause 62 of the Magna Carta gives any man the right to question/challenge a violator of the Constitution. Also raising the right in the 1st Amendment for a petition for redress of grievances, and that it is available for the public’s express use where appropriate. Now speaking to bombarding the Congress with snail mail.
No revelation whatsoever regarding the point of entry docs.
see post # 1358
Chief you do a terrific job putting these things together. Everything you said makes sense. Any person with one iota of sense can see that there are so many things that don't add up. There is something there, the truth isn't as obama states. It's the most secretive, weird, words can't express how many empty holes there are in this man's past.
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