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To: freepersup

I believe that Ann had a “shotgun wedding” and then discovered her husband was a rake willing to become involved with any number of co-eds.(The little tidbit Frank Marshall Davis wrote in his biography was the teaser, “...a Kenyan student split, leaving behind TWO pregnant blondes”) Her parents sent her to her mother’s friend in Seattle and the friend made arrangements for Ann to go to an unwed mother’s home in Vancouver where she would give birth and give the baby up for adoption. Her parents had made such a deal with her and told her she could attend UW afterwards.(which she had wanted to do anyway) Her high school friends at the time had already commented about the fact that if they encountered blacks while they were out they would cross the street to avoid them. The scandal of a white girl giving birth to a black baby would have driven Ann out of the area, while Vancouver B.C. was quite experienced in dealing with many different races and intermingling. Once Ann gave birth she changed her mind and asked her mother’s friend to come and get her. Arriving back in Seattle Ann phoned her parents and told them which prompted Madelyn to go register the birth (in 1961 the word of an immediate relative was sufficient to register a birth, unlike now when they ask for medical check-ups from before birth, well baby records etc.) Madelyn being the mortgage administrator at Bankoh knew of a safe address to use and her registration of birth generated the birth announcement. As some people have said it was a pretty long term conspiracy to register a birth and have a birth announcement in the paper. It was NEVER about a future run for the presidency, it was to “preserve her daughter’s honor” and lend legitimacy to the birth. In early 1963 Ann notified her parents she was coming back to HI and they rented the apartment for her at 110 1427 Alexander St. She once again moved in with her parents at the home at 2277 Kamehameha Ave when she registered to attend the spring 1963 semester at UH at Manoa. As I have said before Madelyn’s co-workers didn’t know she had a grandson until Jr arrived at the bank one day after he began attending Punahou. Grandpa was his companion and grandpa was the one who was instrumental in Jr attending Punahou. Grandma was simply the purse.
Also have you noticed that only one baby picture has been released and it wasn’t released until after Madelyn passed away. The picture is of a 6 to 8 month old, is a professional portrait with no one else in it. I suspect Ann had the picture taken to give to her parents for their anniversary. How many first time grandparents do you know who don’t take plenty of pictures of their first born grandchild? We have seen many photos of Jr after Ann returned to HI in 1963 but only the one baby picture and absolutely no infant pictures!


1,352 posted on 01/05/2009 3:23:26 PM PST by Chief Engineer
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To: Chief Engineer

Do you think he was born in Vancouver BC, then? What is your viewpoint of the Kenya place of birth - do you give any credence to that? Of course, if Hale produces something that documents that we will all know.


1,353 posted on 01/05/2009 3:28:36 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: Chief Engineer
OK Chief, I know from your extensive postings and detailed explanations, that you have a graduate degree in researching this strange secretive family. I think you make pretty good sense of it all. Your recuperation hasn't been for naught. ;o) They can run, but they can't hide from Chief and his legions.

Many are postulating that Kenya may be the birth- home of record, for Obama JR., when in fact it might be Canada!

BLAME CANADA! LOL

Ed Hale, you twisted man, give us the goods NOW!

1,354 posted on 01/05/2009 3:48:47 PM PST by freepersup (!)
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To: Chief Engineer
We have seen many photos of Jr after Ann returned to HI in 1963 but only the one baby picture and absolutely no infant pictures!

Chief you do a terrific job putting these things together. Everything you said makes sense. Any person with one iota of sense can see that there are so many things that don't add up. There is something there, the truth isn't as obama states. It's the most secretive, weird, words can't express how many empty holes there are in this man's past.

1,360 posted on 01/05/2009 6:41:58 PM PST by mojitojoe
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To: Chief Engineer

Chief, your explanation sounds reasonable and ties some loose ends together.

The issue of a white woman having a black child in 1961 can not be overstated. It would have been a big deal even in HI, as there were few blacks around then.

The Seattle/Vancouver/HI makes more sense than the Kenya/HI scenario. I just don’t see a woman and a newborn traveling in 1961 so far by air so shortly after birth.

The part about the false address in the birth announcement rings true also—there was a social construct Madelyn Dunham was trying to protect or to create, to give an illusion of legitmacy.

Obama would not be so fiercely protecting his BC if there was not damaging information on it as to his real father or his real place of birth.


1,378 posted on 01/05/2009 10:10:54 PM PST by exit82 (The Obama Cabinet: There was more brainpower on Gilligan's Island.)
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