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Just one more thing,,,the part about "puerile, hide-under-the-bed, denials"

That one really got under your skin didn't it? LOL

People who think for themselves, who question the data handed to them, (such as it is), live in fear? That kind of nonsense is why you flying saucer "consensus" types will never be taken seriously, no matter how many astronauts you've deified.

Nice red herring. There IS no 'consensus' at this point, there is a general belief that there is *something* or *someone* making an appearance in our atmosphere, on the ground, in the near regions of space around our planet, and your problem is that your abysmal talents of observation and analysis cannot even begin to compare with the abilities and skills of professional pilots and astronauts. In a hypothetical court proceeding, their statements as to what they have observed would be given far greater credence than yours, because they've been professionally trained, you're just a whining contrarian.

A thinking man would expect that kind of "consensus" idiocy on a liberal site, but here? On a Conservative forum?!?

A "thinking" man would not dismiss out of hand alternate possibilities using the weak minded argument of "no proof, it doesn't exist", and pull those blinders ever tighter over their eyes. The fact is, it is you who exhibits the classic liberal mindset in that you refuse to acknowledge or consider anything that doesn't fit into your liberal orthodoxy of denial. It is conservatives who traditionally keep an open mind about ALL things, not accepting blanket statements or mindlessly swallowing blind statements of disbelief from those who haven't got a clue, like you.

In your warped little world, unless you too saw an apple fall from a tree to the ground, Sir Isaac Newton would be one of those 'hoaxers' or 'carnival barkers' you were mewling about last night.

*ding ding*

Back to you Fido.

Nice red herring. There IS no 'consensus' at this point, there is a general belief that there is *something* or *someone* making an appearance in our atmosphere, on the ground, in the near regions of space around our planet, and your problem is that your abysmal talents of observation and analysis cannot even begin to compare with the abilities and skills of professional pilots and astronauts. In a hypothetical court proceeding, their statements as to what they have observed would be given far greater credence than yours, because they've been professionally trained, you're just a whining contrarian.

You call consensus a red herring, then immediately talk about consensus, of a "general belief", and attack my credentials when you haven't a clue as to what I am. That's a hallmark of liberal thinking. (Take your previous posts, change your subject from flying saucers to global warming and read it back to us, please). But anyway, pilots have been known to mistake Venus for something else, same as us ground dwellers.

Let's take that a little further. Seeing as you deign to be superior enough to say that I'm too low on the food chain to make rational observations, let's see just how good you are. Can you tell with accuracy whether a car goes by your house at 60 miles an hour? At 70? At 80?

Can you see an airliner, not too far over the horizon, (with it's landing lights on) and tell me whether it's at an altitude of 10 thousand feet? 33 thousand? Can you tell anyone with accuracy whether it's 5 miles away from you or 20 or 35 or 50? Can an airline pilot see a flaming meteor out the window and accurately say whether that meteor was 6 miles away or 60 or 600? There's no scale, no reference points in the sky, no graph overlaid, so even your hallowed highly trained pilots testifying before an activist judge ultimately can't be any more accurate than anyone else could be with a meteor event that happens in a couple of seconds.

Bonus round 1: There's a reason why there's a green light on one wingtip and a red one on the other. Why?

Bonus round 2: Do your hallowed pilots and astronauts fall for all the ill-defined blobs of light such as what this thread subject is about? How many of them subscribe to flying saucer rags or are members of flying saucer forums?

Demerit round: you left Edgar Mitchell's name off your deities list.

A "thinking" man would not dismiss out of hand alternate possibilities using the weak minded argument of "no proof, it doesn't exist", and pull those blinders ever tighter over their eyes. The fact is, it is you who exhibits the classic liberal mindset in that you refuse to acknowledge or consider anything that doesn't fit into your liberal orthodoxy of denial. It is conservatives who traditionally keep an open mind about ALL things, not accepting blanket statements or mindlessly swallowing blind statements of disbelief from those who haven't got a clue, like you.

In your warped little world, unless you too saw an apple fall from a tree to the ground, Sir Isaac Newton would be one of those 'hoaxers' or 'carnival barkers' you were mewling about last night.

Typical projection.

However did you get the idea that I (or anyone else) was closed minded to the possibility of alien life in such a vast Universe? Just because I personally am not sympathetic to the idea that aliens are here practicing proctology, barnstorming, and farming methods doesn't mean life doesn't exist elsewhere. It only means that space aliens coming to Earth are the Freudian and Jungian constructs of the kook fringe.