Posted on 12/17/2008 1:59:58 AM PST by indianbob
Earlier this month we reported about a sighting of a luminous grey UFO in the historic town of Bury St Edmunds in the United Kingdom. The UFO was seen spinning and hovering over the St Edmundsbury Cathedral by a townsman who promptly notified the police. It later emerged that the UFO was also seen by a staff member of the Cathedral. Sarah Friswell, the Cathedrals visitor officer, noted that the topic of the mysterious craft had come up in a staff meeting and
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This one hit the atmosphere with what was estimated to be a force about the equivalent of 100 tons of TNT. That suggests that someone thought it weighed between 100 and 200 kilograms. Depending on what it was made of (based on the pictures probably some kind of condrite, Astronomy.com says H5 but I don’t know how they can tell just by looking at it) about 80% of it probably survived the heat of entry. Some ordinary condrites, like Tunguska, contain up to .3% ice. If the heat of entry causes the ice to vaporize all at once, depending on how the ice is distributed within the body it could cause a lot of the meteor not just to fragment but to break up into individual condrules that measure between .01 to .5 centimeter across. This stuff can be real hard to find. On the other hand if it broke up because of air pressure then there are probably over 100 kg of meteorite scattered across several square kilometers of western Saskatchewan. Good hunting!
Mr Haag is either famous or infamous in the meteorics community, depending on your point of view. On the one hand he has fund a lot of material that would otherwise have rusted away and made it available to science. On the other hand he has gobbled up a lot of material that would otherwise have gone to scientific research. Several years ago he was busted in Argentina for trying to transport a big iron meteorite out of the country. Never heard how that one came out but my guess is he profited from the exchange.
You bet. They still haven't found all the pieces of Columbia when it disintegrated on reentry. I read somewhere that some of the missing spacecraft are suspected to be rather large, or over 12".
> Question: is that what is referred to as ‘pointing the bone’?
It is a very similar idea. Wikipedia gives a fairly good summary of makutu, but I think this one is slightly better:
http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-CowYest-t1-body-d1-d6.html
Interestingly, witchcraft and makutu were important instruments to help keep an established social order in what would otherwise have been a “Lord of the Flies” type society: they tended to level the playing field.
While the Maori were undoubtedly cannibals and savages, they had (and still have) very elaborate social structures, including an oral history that goes back to Year Dot — when the first Maori canoes landed in New Zealand. It is all memorized and many Maori can recite their family tree from memory, verbatim.
So while this Makutu thing sounds primitive, it is actually a part of a much more elaborate, interesting, and structured social fabric. In many ways there is a savage beauty to it: I find it fascinating.
> First things first. When the True Believers use consensus as their defense, it smells exactly like liberalism and their global warming. Call it whatever you like, but I’m not about to become politically correct to appease some hypocritical moron in the throes of projection that used the word “phuckwit” at the beginning of the thread.
Dana Scully, is that you?
> As for your “concern”, that’s your problem. As has already been said, I didn’t invent the main pillars of the flying saucer crowd,
I rather suspect God might have done that. After all, He created everything. Including flying saucers.
> and I won’t ignore it for the convenience of others. The kooks brought the ridicule on themselves, and they’ll have to live with it.
Or perhaps you are just the modern-day equivalent of someone who believes the earth is flat. Just because you haven’t personally experienced it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist.
And, as with the flat-earth folk, you can have all kinds of clever, well-thought-out, brilliantly argued reasons why the earth is flat, but that doesn’t change the fact that the earth is roughly spherical — despite your wishes.
There are UFOs — that is an established fact. Whether they be driven by Space Aliens or something else is, as yet, a matter of conjecture. It is foolish, ignorant and intolerably arrogant to dismiss any possibilities out-of-hand.
> As for my “ignorance” and “intolerable arrogance” because I choose to not be highly suggestive or turn and look the other way at such nonsense, I sincerely hope you don’t do anything rash.
You mean, like playing with matches?
I've found the religion angle very telling among some of the fringies. They can't seem to separate God from space aliens. One of them shops the idea that the Catholics are in cahoots with the Gummint and the aliens too, if you can believe that. I attribute it to fear. :)
I like what you said in another post, that you didn't "need" life to exist elsewhere. I don't either. It would be profound to discover we aren't alone, but I've survived for 50plus years with the knowledge that we are alone in the Universe, so far, and accept I'll probably die knowing it. Some people apparently can't handle it, (ahem) perhaps out of fear, and they'll invent anything to counter it, whether ghosts or fairies or little green men.
As for the additional images (love the thread headline - possible photo emerges(!)- hard hitting journalism at it's finest), they're being Photoshopped as we speak.
Autonomic kook response. The burden of proof is on those who make the claims of ghosts and fairies and little green men.
> Autonomic kook response. The burden of proof is on those who make the claims of ghosts and fairies and little green men.
No, *that* is an automatic kook response. You’ve got a perfectly-good photo of a UFO over Suffolk Cathedral: the onus of proof is on you: if not an alien vessel from outer space, what is it?
Good morning, sane person.
You are correct, it's now an IFO...
I do believe life beyond earth is possible, and perhaps even somewhat likely.
I knew it, another believer!!
Autonomic kook response number 2.
It may be a perfectly good photo to you, but otherwise it means nothing. And anyway, how can you make such a pronouncement when the headline says possible photo emerges?
Here's another "perfectly good photo of a UFO". Other than the fact I present it here, it proves nothing, it advances no cause.
You sure you're not mistaking me with someone else? I'm just a lowly Flat Earth'er. A regressive. You know, "stop using your brain, and bring yourself into the 21st Century, boy!"
And good morning to you. Have some coffee?
> It may be a perfectly good photo to you, but otherwise it means nothing.
Not so fast — if it isn’t an alien vessel from outer space, what is it? You don’t just get to dismiss it as “meaning nothing” — it means something, obviously. So what does it mean?
> And anyway, how can you make such a pronouncement when the headline says possible photo emerges?
Because I just did, and so did the headline: both say it is “possible”. You say it is impossible. As you are in disagreement with the possibility, the onus is on you to prove that the headline and I are wrong. All we need to do is front up with the possibility: you have a much harder task of proving the impossibility.
> Here’s another “perfectly good photo of a UFO”. Other than the fact I present it here, it proves nothing, it advances no cause.
Once again, if it isn’t an alien vessel from outer space, what is it? Obviously it means something, and obviously it proves something, and obviously it advances some cause somewhere. Over to you to inform us as to what.
Obviously it means something to those who want to believe or must believe. It's not obvious that it "proves" anything at this point.
For what it's worth, the picture I've posted is a lot bigger than the postage stamped image of this thread subject that you're championing. Other than that, I see nothing that "should" make me a believer.
First thing that struck me when I saw the image was "cloud formation"? Now that could be because of my previous view of this thread. Point is, one's opinion of an inconclusive image can generate all sorts of conclusions.
Note, obviously the image in the photo on this thread and the photo from the "hole" thread aren't the same. My point is that clouds can sometimes take strange forms, and, the more I look at the photo from this thread, the more it looks like a cloud to me (a strange cloud yes, but we know clouds can form strange forms from the previous thread, so it doesn't seem that unreasonable to conclude it's a cloud, IMO).
The same old broken record kook truism.
I would absolutely love to know there's existence of life that came from elsewhere, that we're not alone, (haven't I already said that? Why do you ignore it?), and nothing would please me more to think that at least in other areas of the Universe there's a race that's evolved beyond the Orwellian fringe kook stage, who don't say you're living in the Stone Age because you don't dwell in the ancient parts of the brain and actively seek out monsters of the id.
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