Damn, our resident kook Buddy Love is now stealing other people's material! 
Posted on 12/17/2008 1:59:58 AM PST by indianbob
Earlier this month we reported about a sighting of a luminous grey UFO in the historic town of Bury St Edmunds in the United Kingdom. The UFO was seen spinning and hovering over the St Edmundsbury Cathedral by a townsman who promptly notified the police. It later emerged that the UFO was also seen by a staff member of the Cathedral. Sarah Friswell, the Cathedrals visitor officer, noted that the topic of the mysterious craft had come up in a staff meeting and
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The meteor fragments were found on the surface of a pond that probably froze some time in late October or early November. The meteor was imaged on the 20 November and the meteor fragments were discovered on the 27 November. Unless there had been another meteor that sneaked in without being detected between the time the pond froze and 27 November they had to have come from the 20 November fall.
Here are more photos of fragments
Now how about some more images of the Suffolk siting?
Unless there had been another meteor that sneaked in without being detected between the time the pond froze and 27 November they had to have come from the 20 November fall.
I have news for you my friend, *larger* near earth asteroids go undetected all the time. Not to mention thousands of meteors on a daily basis.
In fact, in 2002 an asteroid big enough to wipe out 1200 square miles escaped detection and missed Earth by about 80,000 miles, which is considered an extremely close.
It wasn't even detected until it passed this planets orbital plane.
The asteroid was estimated to have a diameter of about 265 feet and was comparable to the object that exploded over the Tunguska region of Siberia in 1908, causing widespread devastation.
So, certainly meteors of all sizes are missed daily, by the tens of thousands.
> [PING to DieHard, figured you might enjoy some cheap entertainment, lol]
Cheers for that, mate — it was amusing indeed!
I haven’t seen a UFO myself, but I have no difficulty believing that they exist and that what many folk have seen are, indeed, visitors from another place flying in advanced spacecraft. I believe it would be the heights of arrogance for humanfolk on Earth to believe that we are the only — or indeed the most — intelligent beings in this or any other Universe or dimension. It is just too unlikely to be true.
The natural world does not contain the sum-and-total of all that exists. It comprises a mere subset.
I have seen a ghost before, and I have seen an Angel before, and I have felt the spirit of Tane (the Maori equivalent of The Great Spirit) and Tu (the Maori War spirit) in New Zealand’s forests. And nobody will persuade me that I haven’t because I have.
I have seen somebody rendered nearly helplessly insane by a Makutu (Maori curse) and I wear a suitably-blessed Tiki to help protect me from that. Superstitious nonsense? Maybe, but I have plenty of enemies because of what I do, and the last thing I need is for one of them to get me into their power by casting a Makutu in my direction.
The South Pacific was a very old, very dark and very evil and godless place — and in many ways it still is. Long before Europeans came here unspeakable evils were done on a daily basis, including cannibalism and worse, and the supernatural world was very palpable and very powerful.
There is most certainly a supernatural world: the Bible says so, and as a devout and convinced Christian I know better than to argue against the Bible. For example, the witch of Endor brought up the Spirit of the prophet Samuel — that is a matter of fact not a matter of conjecture. We are told not to meddle in this world: that doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist.
People who only believe in what they have experienced in the natural world are welcome to live their lives that way, just so long as they do not ignorantly claim that things they cannot experience in the natural world do not exist. That is an unwarranted and intolerable arrogance.
Finally, what really sucks is when people argue that you are “liberal” just because you disagree with their viewpoint. That’s namecalling and about the weakest form of argument available to mankind. That, and the dodgy references to proctology, have me concerned...
Others just flat out do not believe in life outside earth, because there is no proof. Yet many of these same folks believe in God, yet there is no hard proof or hard evidence that God exists either. (I am not one of those people though).
People are funny this way.
I think that what causes people to react so vehemently to the idea that there might be some other form of intelligent life “out there” is a very understandable fear of the unknown.
The shrieks and screams of ridicule directed at those who retain an open mind about such things is nothing but a manifestation of the fears of the skeptic.
They’re scared.
I tend to agree with your assertion.
Regarding your post 122.
I don’t really have a desire to enter into a discussion of planetary risks I will respond to your reasonable observations.
1. Based on photographic and acoustic evidence the object imaged over Alberta was large enough and heading in the right direction to produce a fall in the area where the meteor fragments were recovered. The probability of two meteoroids hitting the atmosphere close enough to have possibly created falls in the same location is minuscule. Minuscule enough to say that recovery of meteoric material on a frozen pond which had to have landed there after the pond froze over constitutes proof that they came from the object imaged over Eastern Alberta. If you don’t accept this please provide credible scientific evidence of other multiple falls at the same location within a one month period.
2. Near earth asteroid surveys are designed to detect objects that are large enough to pose a threat to the planet. While it would be big trouble to get hit in the head by a half pound rock going several hundred miles an hour, this object wasn’t a threat to the planet. The object that made the fish pond fall was far too small to have been picked up by any of near earth asteroid surveys in operation today. In 2002 the Lincoln Labs LINEAR and NASA/Lowell Observatory LONEOS asteroid surveys were about the only systematic surveys up and running, They only covered objects visible from the northern hemisphere (New Mexico and Arizona respectively). The Anglo-Australian AANEAS survey, covering the southern hemisphere, went out of business in 1996 and the Siding Springs Survey (SSS) didn’t come on line until 2004; so for 8 years the entire southern hemisphere was not covered. Anything coming from that direction would not have been detected. Today, in addition to LINEAR and SSS, there are a number of other smaller surveys in operation. Coverage is much better now and I doubt 2002MN would make it as close as it did - about 1/3rd the distance to the moon without being detected. Recently an object about 2 meters in diameter was detected before it hit the atmosphere Sudan.
this object wasn’t a threat to the planet.
Clearly, nor did I suggest it was.
Coverage is much better now
Yes it is, but certainly not perfect.
Finally, what really sucks is when people argue that you are “liberal” just because you disagree with their viewpoint. That’s namecalling and about the weakest form of argument available to mankind. That, and the dodgy references to proctology, have me concerned...
First things first. When the True Believers use consensus as their defense, it smells exactly like liberalism and their global warming. Call it whatever you like, but I'm not about to become politically correct to appease some hypocritical moron in the throes of projection that used the word "phuckwit" at the beginning of the thread.
As for your "concern", that's your problem. As has already been said, I didn't invent the main pillars of the flying saucer crowd, and I won't ignore it for the convenience of others. The kooks brought the ridicule on themselves, and they'll have to live with it.
As for my "ignorance" and "intolerable arrogance" because I choose to not be highly suggestive or turn and look the other way at such nonsense, I sincerely hope you don't do anything rash.
Your act's a little stale, Buddy.
Great!
So how about more evidence of the object over Suffolk?
Damn, our resident kook Buddy Love is now stealing other people's material!
Does anyone wonder many why people feel the need to believe there are other intelligences in our world?
Could it be that in rejecting God they have left a deep need in their lives that they are now trying to fill with everything from little green men to leprechauns? Could it be that the people you describe as "True Believers" are actually the ones who are suffering from the fear that they are in fact very much alone in the universe?
We skeptics not the ones who live in fear. It's the "True Believers". I for one would be very, very excited if there was indeed any evidence that I could believe that there were intelligences other than our own. In the mean time I'll trust observation and critical analysis.
In the meantime, where ARE those additional images of the Suffolk object?
Some are speculating that it was up to ten tons. Read about the Arizona meteor hunter that was offering $$ for fragments. etc. That guy in AZ has quite a collection.
You don't believe that life possibly exists outside earth?
I believe that live, intelligent or otherwise could exist outside earth. I just see no convincing evidence that it does.
I also feel no need that other intelligent live should exist. If there is intelligent live elsewhere I hope we one day meet it - preferably on our terms, not theirs. If there is no intelligent live elsewhere then humans should expand beyond our little solar system and become the other intelligent live in the universe.
heh.
I believe that live, intelligent or otherwise could exist outside earth.
Oh, OK.
I guess I read your, "little green men" comment wrong. For a minute there it sounded as though you didn't believe life outside Earth was possible.
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