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...soils are by far the world's largest source of carbon dioxide...

Soils.

1 posted on 11/19/2008 2:58:38 PM PST by decimon
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To: steelyourfaith

Soil yer faith ping.


2 posted on 11/19/2008 2:59:39 PM PST by decimon
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To: decimon

Ban soil for the sake of the planet! /liberal drooling


3 posted on 11/19/2008 3:01:19 PM PST by wastedyears (Every FReeper is on Obama's Black List. He will try to have us all "taken care of." Mark my words)
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To: decimon

Most things liberal are way overrated, like for instance, sub prime mortgages and the damage they might do ... very overrated, don’t you think? If you ask Bawney’s Fwank, no problem.


4 posted on 11/19/2008 3:03:08 PM PST by Tarpon (America's first principles, freedom, liberty, market economy and self-reliance will never fail.)
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To: decimon
...soils are by far the world's largest source of carbon dioxide...

Soils.

Well, then, we've just got to eliminate dirt from the planet, it's the only way to save it.

5 posted on 11/19/2008 3:04:21 PM PST by Bob
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To: decimon

Global Warming is just a vehicle for the one world socialists to demolish the United States Constitution. The last obsticle int the way. It will be accomplished by treaty with the help of McClame. I feel like the worlds biggest sucker for backing him.


6 posted on 11/19/2008 3:05:01 PM PST by screaminsunshine
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To: decimon

The ‘soils of war’?

Don’t ‘soil yourself’?


7 posted on 11/19/2008 3:05:10 PM PST by Pikachu_Dad
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To: decimon

I am sure Obama and Arnold will consider this.


10 posted on 11/19/2008 3:18:16 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares (Refusing to kneel before the socialist messiah. 1-20-13 Freedom Day.)
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To: decimon

The snow and ice from global cooling will seal the black carbon into the soil. It’s somewhat cold today, 10 below the normal, which is 1. The record for today is 47, which was about 1963. The magpie was complaining to me today about this unbearable cold, but he’s a warm climate bird and this is his first winter and I told him to head south but do magpies ever listen?


12 posted on 11/19/2008 3:24:08 PM PST by RightWhale (Exxon Suxx)
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To: decimon
...carbon dioxide, the major greenhouse gas...

CO2 is NOT "the" major greenhouse gas. That honor goes to water vapor, which accounts for far more of the greenhouse effect than all the other so-called greenhouse gases combined.

13 posted on 11/19/2008 3:24:30 PM PST by JaguarXKE
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To: decimon
"soils are expected to release more carbon dioxide, the major greenhouse gas..."

WRONG!

First, water vapor, by far, is the most powerful greenhouse gas on Earth, accounting for something like 95% of the effect. Second, there is no evidence at all that CO2 has ever caused warming on Earth when the concentrations were within 10-15 times of what they are today. And this BS comes from a prestigious university like Cornell?

THE ACQUITTAL OF CARBON DIOXIDE
by Jeffrey A. Glassman, PhD

ABSTRACT:

"Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere [historically] is the product of oceanic respiration due to the well-known but under-appreciated solubility pump. Carbon dioxide rises out of warm ocean waters where it is added to the atmosphere. There it is mixed with residual and accidental CO2, and circulated, to be absorbed into the sink of the cold ocean waters. Next the thermohaline circulation carries the CO2-rich sea water deep into the ocean. A millennium later it appears at the surface in warm waters, saturated by lower pressure and higher temperature, to be exhausted back into the atmosphere. Throughout the past 420 millennia, comprising four interglacial periods, the Vostok record of atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration is imprinted with, and fully characterized by, the physics of the solubility of CO2 in water, along with the lag in the deep ocean circulation.

Notwithstanding that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, atmospheric carbon dioxide has neither caused nor amplified global temperature increases. Increased carbon dioxide has been an effect of global warming, not a cause. Technically, carbon dioxide is a lagging proxy for ocean temperatures. When global temperature, and along with it, ocean temperature rises, the physics of solubility causes atmospheric CO2 to increase.

If increases in carbon dioxide, or any other greenhouse gas, could have in turn raised global temperatures, the positive feedback would have been catastrophic. While the conditions for such a catastrophe were present in the Vostok record from natural causes, the runaway event did not occur. Carbon dioxide does not accumulate in the atmosphere."

http://www.rocketscientistsjournal.com/2006/10/co2_acquittal.html

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The graph above represents temperature and CO2 levels over the past 400,000 years. It is the same exact data Al Gore and the rest of the man-made global warmers refer to. The blue line is temps, the red, CO2 levels. The deep valleys represent 4 separate glaciation/ice-age periods. Look carefully at this historical relationship between temps and CO2 levels (the present is on the right hand side of the graph) and keep in mind that Gore claims this data is the 'proof' that CO2 has warmed the earth in the past. But does the data indeed show this? Nope. In fact, rising CO2 levels all throughout this 400,000-year period actually *followed* temperature increases -lagging behind by an average of 800 years! So it couldn't have been CO2 that got Earth out of these past glaciations. Yet Gore continually and dishonestly claims otherwise. Furthermore, the subsequent CO2 level increases due to dissolved CO2 being released from warming oceans, never did lead to additional warming, the so-called "run-away greenhouse effect" that Al Gore and his friends keep warning us about. In short, there is little if any evidence that CO2 had ever led to increased warming, at least not when the levels were within 10-15 times of what they are today. -ETL

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"The above chart shows the range of global temperature through the last 500 million years. There is no statistical correlation between the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere through the last 500 million years and the temperature record in this interval. In fact, one of the highest levels of carbon dioxide concentration occurred during a major ice age that occurred about 450 million years ago [Myr]. Carbon dioxide concentrations at that time were about 15 times higher than at present." [also see 180 million years ago, same thing happened]:
http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=010405M

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So, greenhouse [effect] is all about carbon dioxide, right?

Wrong. The most important players on the greenhouse stage are water vapor and clouds. Carbon dioxide has been increased to about 0.038% of the atmosphere (possibly from about 0.028% pre-Industrial Revolution) while water in its various forms ranges from 0% to 4% of the atmosphere and its properties vary by what form it is in and even at what altitude it is found in the atmosphere.

In simple terms the bulk of Earth's greenhouse effect is due to water vapor by virtue of its abundance. Water accounts for about 90% of the Earth's greenhouse effect -- perhaps 70% is due to water vapor and about 20% due to clouds (mostly water droplets), some estimates put water as high as 95% of Earth's total tropospheric greenhouse effect (e.g., Freidenreich and Ramaswamy, 'Solar Radiation Absorption by Carbon Dioxide, Overlap with Water, and a Parameterization for General Circulation Models,' Journal of Geophysical Research 98 (1993):7255-7264).

The remaining portion comes from carbon dioxide, nitrous oxide, methane, ozone and miscellaneous other 'minor greenhouse gases.' As an example of the relative importance of water it should be noted that changes in the relative humidity on the order of 1.3-4% are equivalent to the effect of doubling CO2.

http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/

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Water Vapor Rules the Greenhouse System

Water vapor constitutes Earth's most significant greenhouse gas, accounting for about 95% of Earth's greenhouse effect (4). Interestingly, many 'facts and figures' regarding global warming completely ignore the powerful effects of water vapor in the greenhouse system, carelessly (perhaps, deliberately) overstating human impacts as much as 20-fold.

Water vapor is 99.999% of natural origin. Other atmospheric greenhouse gases, carbon dioxide (CO2), methane (CH4), nitrous oxide (N2O), and miscellaneous other gases (CFC's, etc.), are also mostly of natural origin (except for the latter, which is mostly anthropogenic).

Human activities contribute slightly to greenhouse gas concentrations through farming, manufacturing, power generation, and transportation. However, these emissions are so dwarfed in comparison to emissions from natural sources we can do nothing about, that even the most costly efforts to limit human emissions would have a very small-- perhaps undetectable-- effect on global climate.

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html

15 posted on 11/19/2008 3:30:06 PM PST by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home/About page)
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To: decimon

18 posted on 11/19/2008 3:53:00 PM PST by Dallas59 (Not My President)
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To: decimon

This is a dirty study and Big Al ain’t gonna like it one bit ...


19 posted on 11/19/2008 3:58:33 PM PST by catpuppy
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To: decimon

Given the fact that Washington is run by “environmentalists” who want their way or the highway, people hoping to get wealthy from “alternative energy”, and politicians who want to insure their seats at the center of power, this study will be so totally ignored it wasn’t worth the effort.


21 posted on 11/19/2008 4:18:39 PM PST by popdonnelly (Don't lose sight of your conservative principles.)
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To: decimon
"We know from measurements that climate change today is worse than people have predicted,"

"It's worse than that, Al; Warmimg is dead!"

What makes it 'worse than predicted' is that things are better than predicted.

Worst case scenario: things cool down (as has been happpening), dropping the bottom out of carbon-credit scams and AGW shakedowns.

22 posted on 11/19/2008 4:41:34 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (The mob got President Barabbas; America got shafted)
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To: decimon
Serious question:

As a result of global warming, soils are expected to release more carbon dioxide, the major greenhouse gas, into the atmosphere, which, in turn, creates more warming. Climate models try to incorporate these increases of carbon dioxide from soils as the planet warms, but results vary greatly when realistic estimates of black carbon in soils are included in the predictions, the study found.

If CO^2 has to be in the upper atmosphere to have any real effect; and CO^2 is heavier than air, then isn't most or all of the CO^2 from the soil either retained in the soil, or utilized by plants growing in or on that soil, with little of it reaching an effective altitude?

Naturally, surface wind mixing occurs, etc.; but, what is releasing the CO^2 (not forming it) from the soil into the atmosphere?

23 posted on 11/19/2008 4:54:26 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (The mob got President Barabbas; America got shafted)
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To: decimon

Why it gots to be Black?


26 posted on 11/20/2008 1:45:41 AM PST by ExGeeEye (The biggest disadvantage in America today is not fitting into any particular victim group.)
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To: decimon
"We know from measurements that climate change today is worse than people have predicted,"

Interesting. An outright lie, apparently intended to offset the possibility that the overestimation mentioned earlier might bring global warming into doubt.

Or is it intended to show loyalty and avoid a backlash?

27 posted on 11/20/2008 7:46:18 PM PST by irv
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