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Will beaming songs into space lead to an alien invasion?
Daily Mail ^ | 07 Feb 2008 | David Derbyshire

Posted on 02/07/2008 5:50:54 PM PST by BGHater

It's not as though Nasa is beaming out the Cheeky Girls back catalogue or the collected works of Florence Foster Jenkins.

Nevertheless, scientists warn that transmitting songs into deep space could put the Earth at risk of an alien attack.

They voiced fears that advertising humanity's place in the universe - as happened last week when Nasa broadcast a Beatles track towards the North Star - could attract the attention of aliens who are less friendly than ET.

Dr Douglas Vakoch of the SETI Institute, which has been leading the search for extraterrestrials, told New Scientist magazine: "Before sending out even symbolic messages, we need an open discussion about the potential risks."

They voiced fears that advertising humanity's place in the universe - as happened last week when Nasa broadcast a Beatles track towards the North Star - could attract the attention of aliens who are less friendly than ET.

Dr Douglas Vakoch of the SETI Institute, which has been leading the search for extraterrestrials, told New Scientist magazine: "Before sending out even symbolic messages, we need an open discussion about the potential risks."

A recording of the Beatles' Across the Universe was last week beamed in the direction of Polaris, also known as the North Star, by Nasa.

SETI - the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence - plans more broadcasts from its base in Mountain View, California.

For the last 20 years, it has used radio telescopes to scan the skies for alien radio messages.

After getting nothing but static, some of its researchers have decided that listening for aliens is not enough.

Instead, they say, we should be actively sending out friendly signals to the stars.

Dr Richard Gott, an astrophysicist from Princeton University, told New Scientist: "SETI's big mistake is that it's relying on ET to do all the heavy lifting.

"We'll all just be sitting round listening, but nobody's doing any talking."

A group of scientists is calling on SETI to broadcast a simple pulsed signal that reveals the presence of intelligent life on Earth.

Others want more recordings of the type included with the Voyager and Pioneer space probes.

Nasa attached engravings depicting humans and our planet to the outside of the craft, and aboard it put tapes of voices, birdsong, music, and maps of where Earth is.

"It's very charitable to send out and encyclopaedia, but that may short-change future generations," said Dr Vakoch.

Professor Barrie Jones, an astronomer with the Open University, added that there is an "unofficial embargo" about alerting potentially unfriendly species to our presence.

"The chances are slight, but the consequences would be huge - the end of life on Earth," he said.

"When you look at the history of colonisation on Earth, it is pretty bloody awful.

"If they have the technology to cross interstellar space to reach us, they will be so much in advance of us humans that there is nothing we could do to resist them."

However, other astrophysicists point out that humanity has been advertising itself to neighbouring stars since the first commercial radio transmissions of the 1920s.

By now, those early broadcasts will have travelled nearly 90 light years - some 540trillion miles.

Radio waves, like other forms of electromagnetic radiation, travel at the speed of light - around 186,000 miles per second.

This means it would take a radio broadcast four years to reach the closest star, Alpha Proxima, which is just over four light years away.

But at least one physicist at SETI is confident that "first contact" will be more like Steven Spielberg's friendly ET and less like Ridley Scott's horrifying Alien.

Dr Seth Shostak said that if there are any extraterrestrials listening out for us, they will have already had plenty of experience of Earth's culture.

He is sanguine about the possibility of unfriendly attention, saying: "It's quite paranoid, given that the one thing we know about aliens - if they do exist - is that they are very, very far away.

"Military radar signals have already penetrated deep into space and early broadcasts of Star Trek and I Love Lucy are washing over one star system a day.

"If they're listening, they already know we are here."


TOPICS: Astronomy; UFO's; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: alien; invasion; songs; space
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To: BGHater

People of the Earth attention. Look to your sky for a warning. What movie? ;)


41 posted on 02/07/2008 6:16:43 PM PST by BigCinBigD (")
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To: Darksheare
Should we let them know we’re already here?

The aliens know exactly where we are already...all kinds of aliens, lolol!

42 posted on 02/07/2008 6:17:42 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: BGHater
early broadcasts of Star Trek and I Love Lucy are washing over one star system a day

They could get the mistaken impression we are more advanced than we are and consider us a threat...


43 posted on 02/07/2008 6:19:38 PM PST by mikrofon ("Never Give Up")
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To: BGHater

Will beaming songs into space lead to an alien invasion?

Why not? That’s what happened when we broadcast to Mexico!!


44 posted on 02/07/2008 6:19:49 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Malsua

I think Niven wrote a similar novel. Can’t remember the title. In it, he put down three rules concerning alien civilizations, but I can only remember two right now. Paraphrasing...

1. Nice guys do not make it to top dog. Any species that has managed to fight it’s way to the top of a planetary food chain and develop technology is going to be tough, smart and aggressive.

2. Their survival will always be more important than our survival — to them. And they are probably going to err on the side of caution when it comes to eliminating potential threats.

There was another thread just recently on the Fermi paradox (where the heck IS everyone?) where the advisability of advertising our home address was discussed. I am one of the people in favor of keeping a low profile, myself.


45 posted on 02/07/2008 6:25:40 PM PST by Ronin (Bushed out!!! Another tragic victim of BDS.)
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To: Darksheare; MeekOneGOP; Conspiracy Guy; DocRock; King Prout; OSHA; martin_fierro; NYC GOP Chick; ...
They voiced fears that advertising humanity's place in the universe - as happened last week when Nasa broadcast a Beatles track towards the North Star - could attract the attention of aliens who are less friendly than ET.



46 posted on 02/07/2008 6:28:50 PM PST by Slings and Arrows ("Those who surrender personal liberty for lower global temperatures will receive neither."--weegee)
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To: K-oneTexas
You think after seeing Gilligan’s Island or some other old shows ... they’d already be here!

ROTFL!

From a scene right out of Galaxy Quest
"Those poor people"

47 posted on 02/07/2008 6:39:32 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Slings and Arrows; NicknamedBob; Monkey Face; Darksheare

Another ping — I wonder if all these space alien/time traveler threads are a secret warning about John McCain??


48 posted on 02/07/2008 6:41:21 PM PST by StarCMC (http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com; http://starcmc.wordpress.com/ - The Enemedia is inside the gates.)
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To: BGHater

Only if it is “Stairway To Heaven.”


49 posted on 02/07/2008 6:42:51 PM PST by irishtenor (Check out my blog at http://boompa53.blogspot.com/)
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To: BGHater

I for one, welcome our alien overlords. It would stop Hillary or McCain from being president......


50 posted on 02/07/2008 7:14:20 PM PST by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Ronin
I think Niven wrote a similar novel.

I swear it's a Niven Novel and got into an argument with the Mrs who says "there's no way that's a Niven book, I've read them all..blah blah." I have too. I am gonna have to figure this out. Heh.

51 posted on 02/07/2008 7:17:27 PM PST by Malsua
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To: org.whodat

You’re probably thinking of Slim Whitman and his immortal masterpiece “Una Paloma Blanca.”


52 posted on 02/07/2008 7:30:27 PM PST by Huntress (“When you have to shoot, shoot, don’t talk.”--Tuco)
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To: Huntress
That’s true, rush has played it many times, scare the warts off an alien.
53 posted on 02/07/2008 7:33:31 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: BGHater
...scientists warn that transmitting songs into deep space could put the Earth at risk of an alien attack.

Don't worry, it's the same "scientists" who keep warning us about "global warming."

54 posted on 02/07/2008 7:58:32 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Mr. Mojo
Yeah, if I were sittin' there in the Sirius star system and got a load of Ginger and Mary Ann I'd be taking the first space ship to Earth for sure. Seriesly.

So the question that plagues these interstellar travelers is; Ginger or Mary Ann?

55 posted on 02/07/2008 8:03:22 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Ronin

We are as likely to be discovered by the aliens like we are to find the fountain of youth.


56 posted on 02/07/2008 8:24:24 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: ovrtaxt
Beam naked pics of Helen Thomas to ward off alien invasions. You're way over-thinking things. They may assume she's the best we got. Third rock from the sun becomes a molten hunk of carbon. Know whut I'm sayin?

Please Lawd f'give me fer makin fun of anybody's looks...
57 posted on 02/07/2008 8:26:19 PM PST by Titan Magroyne ("Shorn, dumb and bleating is no way to go through life, son." Yeah, close enough.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Earth has produced only one known intelligent species. In a profusion of intelligent life theory, it should have produced tens of thousands of intelligent species.

Can't really agree with this. There have been multiple "intelligent" species running around at the same time - homo sapien and neanderthals.

Also, it can be argued that there is really only room on a planet for one "intelligent" species for any length of time.

58 posted on 02/07/2008 8:37:28 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: ovrtaxt
Beam naked pics of Helen Thomas to ward off alien invasions.

Spooky thought, they think she's the most beautiful thing they've ever seen.

59 posted on 02/07/2008 8:43:05 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: BGHater
They voiced fears that advertising humanity's place in the universe - as happened last week when Nasa broadcast a Beatles track towards the North Star - could attract the attention of aliens who are less friendly than ET.

I have been concerned about this for years now. I'm glad someome in the SETI program is actually thinking it through.

60 posted on 02/07/2008 8:48:25 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (If you don't want people to get your goat, don't tell them where it's tied.)
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