[SunkenCiv]

Hasta La Vista, FireWire
by Ben Longo
Gizmodo
Wednesday, June 27, 2007

Like we didn't see this coming, but a new report is confirming what we feared. FireWire is slowly but surely turning into a niche port. Even its strong hold in the camcorder sector is weakening, falling from an 87% in 2005 to 77% in 2006.
A lack of firewire was a big reason for me not to upgrade my iPod. It is so much faster than USB. -- Jeff_McAwesome (reader comment)

[SunkenCiv]

1394 hdtv

Google

[GeronL]

I just want to know if Time Warner has a national customer support number instead of a local one?

[SunkenCiv]

USB 3.0 Will be 10X Faster, Could Doom FireWire [UPDATED]
by John Martellaro, 2:00 PM EDT, September 24th, 2007
http://www.macobserver.com/article/2007/09/24.9.shtml

Intel, HP, MS form USB 3.0 group, tout 10x speeds
Wednesday, September 19th
http://www.electronista.com/articles/07/09/19/usb.30.group.at.intel.idf/

Report: FireWire Headed for Slow Decline
FireWire faces major challenges from other interfaces and a stagnating marketshare.
Peter Cohen, Macworld
Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:00 AM PDT
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,133510-pg,1/article.html

FireWire Dead?
December 19, 2005 by Martin MC Brown
http://theappleblog.com/2005/12/19/firewire-dead/

[snip] More recently, large capacity external hard drives and RAID units have been moving to the SATA interface which is faster than both USB and FireWire 800. SATA/150 runs at 150MBps (approx. 1.2Gbps, compared to the 800 Mbps of FireWire 800, or 480Mbps of USB 2.0). SATA/300 doubles the rate to 2.4Gbps. In nearly all cases the choice in external storage now goes USB 2.0 at the low end, USB/Firewire combo in the mid and SATA at the top. [end]

Discontinued Support for IP over 1394
Updated: December 8, 2004
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/bus/1394/IP_1394.mspx

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1928079/posts?page=11#11

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Wireless USB chip debuts
EE Times | 03/01/2007 | R. Colin Johnson
Posted on 03/02/2007 2:25:38 PM EST by nickcarraway
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1794134/posts

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1936313/posts?page=18#18

[SunkenCiv]

pingworthy?

[ShadowAce]

[antiRepublicrat]

Firewire still has some advantages, like a longer cable and not requiring a host, but this is what I’d use for an external hard drive.

[zeugma]

I’ve never owned a firewire device. My laptop supposedly supports it, but I’ve never had a chance to put it to the test. USB works just fine for my purposes most of the time.

[dayglored]

The thing that crippled the advanced development of FireWire was simply that Microsoft chose to support USB. FireWire support for Windows was intentionally done sloppily so that USB could have a fighting chance despite its disadvantages.

The history of USB is reflected in the lack of foresight from the beginning. See if this strikes you as myopic:

1. "Okay, guys, we are inventing USB. It's gonna be for keyboards and mice and such. But they don't take advantage of the full speed of the hardware. So let's have a low-speed version (1Mbps) and a full-speed version (12Mbps)."

So USB is LOW-speed and FULL-speed.

2. "Okay, guys, FireWire is kicking our ass on speed with their 400Mbps speed. We need something faster than full-speed. How about high-speed? And can we make it a bigger number than FireWire? How about 480Mbps? And while we're at it, Microsoft, please de-support FireWire."

Now USB is LOW-speed, FULL-speed, and HIGH-speed.

3. "Okay, guys, FireWire 800 is kicking our ass on speed again. Our 480 didn't even do as well as FireWire's 400. What are we gonna do? We already used up FULL and HIGH. How about SUPER?"

Now USB is LOW-speed, FULL-speed, HIGH-speed, and SUPER-speed.

And according to the USB folks themselves, there won't even be a specification for 3.0 super-speed written until the middle of 2008. Don't believe a word about real working hardware showing up in 2008. It's lies.

Don't take my word for it, read this official PDF (Nov 28, 2007):

USB 3.0 Promoter group press release

If they get USB3.0 super-speed hardware development done as rapidly as they did the USB2.0 high-speed hardware development, you won't see products with super-speed until late 2009 at the earliest. My money is on 2010.

(Full disclosure: I work for a company whose entire business is based on USB since 1997, and we have been deeply involved in the development and deployment of both USB1.x and USB2.0 hardware and software. Believe me, these things take time, and marketing people always lie.)

[Swordmaker]

This one's really only for the techies among us... PING.

If you want on or off the Mac Ping List, Freepmail me.

[Still Thinking]

Now is that 4.8 Gibibits/sec or 4.8 Gigabits? I may have to sue.