Posted on 10/13/2007 6:14:00 PM PDT by fatima
Well, he was in a room with people who were well versed in finding ways to inject at least one of the two with various drugs in various solutions.
There may have even been a few fresh new syringes lying around the hospital, too.
Howard did volunteer that Daniel asked him, “Why am I so sleepy?” Maybe it took awhile for the lethal dose to shut his system down.
Yes, it did. Fatal means dead. I said from the time he ingested them (*if* that’s the way the drugs got into his system).
He takes them. Then 4-6 hours go by. He’s dead. If he was awake and moving at 6:30AM, he *shouldn’t* have died until 10:30AM at the earliest, if he took them right that moment. He was found dead or near-death at 9:30AM.
(All times approx, I’m not going to look up exact times right now.)
HKS just “says” things. Who knows if that were true or not. He’s trying to keep the heat off himself, so he just makes something up.
But Daniel was laying in a hospital bed with Anna. Not a wide bed so I'm sure her body heat helped keep his body warm. That would confuse the time of death a bit, too.
He couldn't have died earlier than 6:30 am if the nurse is correct about the time she last checked everyone in the room and Daniel was up helping Anna to the bathroom or adjusting her bed.
My working theory had been that Howard had given Daniel the meds in the food and drink and then left, expecting Daniel to die while he was gone from about 2 am to 4 am. IMO, of course. That was just speculation on my part. Now if my speculation had been correct then the latest Daniel could have ingested the meds would have been between 1 and 2 am. That would fit in the time frame if Daniel died an hour or two before he was found.
Also, even though the code blue went out at a bit after 9:30 am one of the patients allegedly said that she heard Anna screaming around 9 am, so what happened between 9 am and shortly after 9:30 am when the code was called?
I wonder if the ME or anyone took a liver temp of Daniel to try to determine approximately how long he'd been deceased?
I'd like more information/documentation about the allegations that when Howard would go to visit CA and he'd visit Daniel and shortly after that Daniel would get sick. Stomach problems, it was said. And, of course, it's been reported that Dr. E saw Daniel before he left for the Bahamas.
Oh well, these are just some questions and speculations I have.
BBL.
Did Daniel voluntarily take an ambien which made him sleepy? How could he have been injected without his knowledge? Did he ask Howard to help him shoot up?
In the back of my mind, I’ve wondered if both Anna and Daniel were injected with some kind of poison that goes undetectable on autopsy. That would mean the drugs were a red herring.
What if Daniel took some ambien to sleep, then when he was just sleep, H. got up to inject him.
What if he then stuffed a bunch of drugs down his mouth, which would be considered the cause of death.
What if Dr E. was able to supply the injectable, non-detected poison to him? Maybe keeping Anna depressed and drugged for several months was the part of the plan.
Maybe the dirty needles that were used on Anna were given on purpose to add to the muddy picture...If you really think about it, Anna died with so much going on in her body, no one would think of the unnamed poison (used by the Russian secret police on umbrella tips to kill people).
Oh, I think they (meaning either HKS or even Anna) could’ve stuck him without him knowing it. Even through his jeans.
He might have taken an Ambien if given to him. I just don’t quite comprehend the massive amounts of two of the drugs, if it was not considered a suicide.
My opinion about Daniel’s illnesses back in L.A., is that they were totally from separation anxiety from his mom. Totally and completely.
She could live without him, but he couldn’t live without her. It was just harder for an almost-21-yo young man to admit that.
They were massive amounts - he would’ve been too knocked sideways to be standing any time before 6:30AM.
Food could have delayed the drug reaction. Just a thought.
And Howard's response makes ever less sense. "I wish I had thought more of it at the time".
Since when does being sleepy equate to death? Especially since Daniel had had a long flight and a very busy evening.
How many of those drugs are totally soluable in drink?
And I still have one more question: Was Danny ever tested for that elusive drug...Chloral Hydrate?
Why was there no breakfast for Anna?
Was it usual or unusual for the baby to be taken out of the room at 5:30 AM? The nurse said that Daniel protested.
Remember that Chloral Hydrate is rarely tested for. Since Daniel died BEFORE we had any knowledge of that drug, I’d ask that he be tested for Chloral Hydrate.
I'd bet one of them is Larry. IIRC, if you're not in the jurisdiction, you can't be compelled to get there and testify.
As it stands, Larry really has no knowledge of Daniel's death in any way, shape or form. His former "volunteering" to testify was a red herring.
There are 19 witnesses to go.
So, Daniel was not mixing drugs and/or doctor shopping.
How convenient that Daniel died at the hospital rather than at the Horizons where a stash was readily available.
And how convenient that Anna died in Florida rather than at the Horizons.
The best thing that ever happened was Thompson "at the request of Anna", grabbing some stuff out of there....including the Clown video.
Moe has gone silent and so has Taz.
I think things are going on behind the scene...hot and heavy.
I am just mystified as to why they don’t want to delve into Daniel’s actual life, to try to determine his frame of mind! I know that they can’t compel US citizens to appear, but it leaves so many questions.
One thing I always wondered about, in the year-plus since his death, is why there has never been just a normal background write-up on Daniel, saying what schools he attended, for example - the most concrete “factual” info that could be published.
Anna always just said she had him enrolled in “private schools,” but absolutely no one has ever said what these schools were or where. I know sometimes he was “home-schooled” - obviously not by Anna - or had tutors - but at least once, I read something about him attending a high school in Burbank. It was just a post by a parent whose child was in a class with him.
Why no details on this young man’s life? Anna’s penchant for privacy (ha!) no longer applies, yet no forthcoming info on which to base any judgments. We heard he was a straight-A student, but who gave these grades?
We heard he was straight-laced, so to speak, but who knew this? It’s disturbing that someone could go through life with so few footprints. I want to know these things, so we can know Daniel - and so the inquest jury can *care* about him.
We know ABSOLUTELY that KE saw him shortly before he left. How shortly and how many times is the question? And did she give him ANYTHING before he left for the upset stomach Danny was complaining about?
I remember reading that KE saw Daniel before he left for the Bahamas, and I think the dots need to be connected between her, HKS, and others.
"Doctor, in your opinion, what killed Daniel Smith".
So, I wonder how the question was put to him.
It certainly sounds like Raju doesn't REALLY think this was accidental.
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