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The Hobbit Hole XXXIV - But better than rain or rippling streams...

Posted on 08/07/2007 7:52:15 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The Hobbit Hole!

Sing hey! for the bath at close of day
That washes the weary mud away!
A loon is he that will not sing:
O! Water Hot is anoble thing!

O! Sweet is the sound of falling rain.
and the brook that leaps from hill to plain;
but better than rain or rippling streams
is Water Hot that smokes and steams.

O! Water cold we may pour at need
down a thirsty throat and be glad indeed;
but better is Beer, if drink we lack,
and Water Hot poured down the back.

O! Water is fair that leaps on high
in a fountain white beneath the sky;
but never did fountain sound so sweet
as splashing Hot Water with my feet!

See also: http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net

Web page for our moot reports and troop support information!





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To: Lil'freeper
The "brash American" firearm would be appropriate for the character I have in mind, even though he's not an American.

You could really torque off a lot of folks if he also had a laser rangefinder, and one of those new hunting scopes that has a built-in digital camera that takes stills and videos looking down the same optics the shooter is using.

2,061 posted on 09/02/2007 9:29:22 AM PDT by 300winmag (Life is hard! It is even harder when you are stupid!)
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To: 300winmag

teehee, the camera scope might be a little much. How about a setup that would make a passable sniper rifle in a pinch?


2,062 posted on 09/02/2007 9:31:56 AM PDT by Lil'freeper (You do not have the plug-in required to view this tagline.)
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To: Lil'freeper; Rose in RoseBear; Corin Stormhands

You guys are really making me feel like a slacker. As usual, I have no plot, let alone extensive character sketches or any kind of outline.


2,063 posted on 09/02/2007 9:41:13 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton

I figger I should work out plot details while I’m motivated to do so. There’s no telling when my obsession will fizzle out.


2,064 posted on 09/02/2007 10:07:07 AM PDT by Lil'freeper (You do not have the plug-in required to view this tagline.)
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To: Lil'freeper
How about a setup that would make a passable sniper rifle in a pinch?

Any decent rifle with a decent scope, and a decent shooter makes for a passable sniper rifle. You don't need a "super rifle" until you're trying for a first-shot kill out past about 500 yards. No respectable hunter would try to take game beyond ranges like that without specialized equipment, and lots of experience.

Humans are easy to kill, and any good Highlands hunter could get the job done at the ranges likely to be encountered there. It's the non-hunter who does not understand these capabilities.

I've read about Russian "designated marksmen" fighting in Chechnya. With both sides armed with AK-type weapons, the average guy thinks in terms of a "battlefield" about 50 meters wide, which is about the extent of practical aimed fire (if you're even trained to aim) with an AK. A designated marksman may have a better weapon with a scope (in this case a SVD), but otherwise works, trains, and fights with everyone else in his unit.

They said it was amazing how easy it was to kill someone 200-300 meters behind "the lines" because the enemy's mental process was fixed on that 50-meter-wide "ribbon". Beyond that, and you thought you were safe.

One Marine shooter had a similar sentiment. He killed a guy with an RPG out in the open at about 800 meters. One of Omar's buddies tried to pick up the weapon, and he died, too. So did Mohamed, Abdul, and Usama. Finally, with seven bodies piled around this RPG, the rest of the bunch decided there was someone out there shooting at them, and was good at hitting them. They ran off.

2,065 posted on 09/02/2007 10:42:10 AM PDT by 300winmag (Life is hard! It is even harder when you are stupid!)
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To: Lil'freeper; 300winmag

hmmm, ‘items with stories’ well, his gun cabinet should include a drilling, a double barrel shotgun with a rifle barrel underneath. Very popular in Germany, many of them made it to our shores with the GI’s following WWII. Some doubtless ended up in England. The drillings were generally 16ga shotgun and 9.3X72R which is an excellent hunting weapon for winged pursuits and big game like European elk (our moose). Now if it was 9.3 X 74R it would be suitable for African big game as well.

As for our brash ‘American’ rifle, how bout a Weatherby rifle, .300 Weatherby Magnum. For years those were the ‘high roller’ big game rifle of choice.


2,066 posted on 09/02/2007 10:49:00 AM PDT by osagebowman
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To: RosieCotton
As usual, I have no plot, let alone extensive character sketches or any kind of outline.

Me too. But at least I have a plan for trimming the floor in thesunroom. :)

2,067 posted on 09/02/2007 11:54:59 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Corin Stormhands
I need a ~legitimate~ reason that someone with a high draft number would have been turned away in 1970

one leg shorter that t'other... asthma...

2,068 posted on 09/02/2007 12:01:41 PM PDT by g'nad
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To: Corin Stormhands
One leg longer than the other --- my father broke his leg as a child, and improper treatment led to one leg being an inch longer than the other. He walked with a vague limp, it never seemed to stop him from dancing the night away, but it should have kept him out.

And there's always the George Bailey 4F --- punctured eardrum.

2,069 posted on 09/02/2007 12:23:23 PM PDT by Rose in RoseBear (HHD [.... I'm in ur draft board, changin' all ur findings ....])
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To: g'nad
<laughing!>Honestly, I hadn't read yours before I posted mine! Great minds think alike!

And how are you doing? I read about your new boss ... I thought I'd had every kind of manager, but I've never had one who openws staff meeting with prayer! That's a man with his eye on the true prize!

2,070 posted on 09/02/2007 12:40:21 PM PDT by Rose in RoseBear (HHD [.... real people are more interesting than any character dreamed up by an author ....])
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To: RosieCotton

You want to come over for dinner tonight?... we’ve made a pot roast. :~)

We can watch something that’s bad for cops... like Blues Brothers or something :~)


2,071 posted on 09/02/2007 3:00:45 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog

Heh...works fer me. What time?


2,072 posted on 09/02/2007 3:18:57 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton

It’ll be ready about 5 - come over whenever you like :~) - I’m about to jump in the tub, so maybe I won’t even smell like pasture mowing.


2,073 posted on 09/02/2007 3:21:09 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: 300winmag
Let me know how it turns out.

After a message likie that from my boss, I would become much more interested in guns myself.

2,074 posted on 09/02/2007 3:40:14 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (A person who does not want the best for America)
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To: whomever
Watching Snakes on a Plane

HILARIOUS!

Unless'n, of course, you have phobias.

2,075 posted on 09/02/2007 4:20:26 PM PDT by Lil'freeper (You do not have the plug-in required to view this tagline.)
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To: 300winmag; Lil'freeper
Even with unlimited money, I'd go with off-the-shelf soviet bloc stuff. First, they don't have the brains for anything more.

what winmag said... yuh gotta remember the utter lack of technical skill and pathetic hygiene of yer average islamo$#ithead... Soviet gear was made with the peasant soldier in mind... I have seen AKs that you would have sworn were scrap iron function flawlessly... parts and ammo are plentiful...

RPKs and 12.7s in the trucks...

2,076 posted on 09/02/2007 4:44:34 PM PDT by g'nad
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To: Rose in RoseBear
I can remember flirting with the operators to get them to change the print train in the line printers so that I could print my stories in upper- and lowercase ...

You shameless hussy, you! ;o)

2,077 posted on 09/02/2007 4:46:17 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: g'nad
yuh gotta remember the utter lack of technical skill and pathetic hygiene of yer average islamo$#ithea

Speaking of lack of skill... supposing the protagonists intercept a shipment of said soviet-bloc equipment, would it be realistic for them to be able operate them with minimum fiddlin'? (I have to take the characters from havin' a household of hunting rifles to being armed-to-the-teeth guerilla fighters)

2,078 posted on 09/02/2007 4:50:37 PM PDT by Lil'freeper (You do not have the plug-in required to view this tagline.)
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To: Lil'freeper; 300winmag
Any decent rifle with a decent scope, and a decent shooter makes for a passable sniper rifle. You don't need a "super rifle" until you're trying for a first-shot kill out past about 500 yards.

what winmag said...

yuh gotta remember what the islamo$#itheads consider a sniper... if'n you can hit a man at 100 yds with an old Enfield .303 with a scope, you're considered an exceptional marksman... most of the time, they don't even aim... they empty the mag screamin' "imshallah!", and figure if Allah wills it, they'll actually hit somethin... the concept of target acquisition, engaging with one aimed shot is completely foreign tuh these numbnuts...

any accurate rifle, scoped, can be a "sniper weapon" out to 500 hunnert yds... then yuh seperate the men from the boys... and your talkin' about handloaded ammo at that point...

I took a guy with a headshot at about 220 yds with iron sights... it's the guy behind the rifle...

2,079 posted on 09/02/2007 4:53:02 PM PDT by g'nad
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To: Lil'freeper

like I sais, designed for peasant soldiers...

no kiddin, I could teach you to field strip, clean and proficiently operate an AK in about 30 minutes...

Achnad?... about two weeks...


2,080 posted on 09/02/2007 4:59:50 PM PDT by g'nad
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