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Greatest Mysteries: Does Alien Life Exist?
space.com ^ | 08/06/07 | Ker Than

Posted on 08/06/2007 4:52:45 PM PDT by KevinDavis

Editor's Note: We asked several scientists from various fields what they thought were the greatest mysteries today, and then we added a few that were on our minds, too. This article is one of 15 in LiveScience's "Greatest Mysteries" series running each weekday.

Life can be found in almost every nook and cranny of our planet Earth. Leaping, swimming, flying, sprinting, slithering, crawling or rooted firmly in place, organisms appear, die, and are replaced by new generations and new species.

Whether a similar bounty of life exists elsewhere in the universe is one of the oldest and most tantalizing questions of science. Considering the wide breadth of the universe and the countless stars it contains, the odds would seem in favor of the answer being "yes."

"We are here, made of stardust. Therefore, it is at least possible that there are others," said Jill Tarter, director of the Center for SETI Research in California.

(Excerpt) Read more at space.com ...


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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

PS.

marveling at their magnificence = It is likely that life across the universe is inevitable because of what God created as universal laws, and the most important law is the ratio between the strong force and weak force.

Many physicists found God after this revelation. Random isn’t conceivable at 36 digits of precision.


21 posted on 08/06/2007 6:46:08 PM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: TraditionalistMommy

I’m not going to try and dispute your belief, but there is a reference after the flood of a separate “race” of beings that the author refers to as The Sons of God. They are also referred to as the Nephilim.

I have never heard a good explanation as to what these people are or were. Aliens? Angels? (fallen or otherwise).

It adds to the mystery in my opinion.


22 posted on 08/06/2007 6:50:28 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Famously frisky)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Looked at the link, and DAMN, you have an opinion on everything.

Glad I am not within 36 digits of precision as smart as you are. I would hate to be burdened with as much righteousness as you must carry.

I am glad I outgrew that.


23 posted on 08/06/2007 6:51:07 PM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
Ahhhhh.

Get where you're coming from--at least over this.

The probability of life arising by chance (or by the ordinary laws of physics) is remotely slim. So slim, that even with the trillions (maybe quadrillions or more) of star systems out there, the creation of life would be a miracle.

The second law of thermodynamics would have the universe undergoing entropy from the moment of the Big Bang. That stars and galaxies formed is rather astounding, and those are much, much easier to create (in terms of complexity) than life.

It is more probable that any amino acids that formed by chance would undergo entropy before forming proteins; proteins would be more probable to undergo entropy before forming the first microbe; the first microbe would be more probable to undergo entropy (and therefore revert to non-life) before getting a mutation which advanced it.

Cosmic and biological (Macro in the case of biology) is a big, uphill battle. God could have made life via Macroevolution on every single planet in existence, but from a [literalist] reading of the Bible, it seems as though God didn't.

24 posted on 08/06/2007 6:55:45 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
The FRhomepage is filled with opinions.

Don't try to play the Mr. Smarty-pants card.

As for Nephilim, that is something that is contested a lot.

Opinion: It could be little more than a reference to followers of God marrying and having children with worldly people (i.e. Christians and the Jews before them were called the people/children of God). That isn't such a spectacular and wondrous explanation, but it does seem very common sensible, though you could point out that the result of those unions led to giants.

Actually not trying to offend you or be stuck up, but obviously that isn't getting through to you.

You're entitled to your opinions, and as you've seen (briefly--the FRhomepage is huge) personally have opinions, too.

'Bye.

25 posted on 08/06/2007 7:02:43 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Michael Barnes; All; ALASKA; ActionNewsBill; airborne; albertp; Alex Murphy; andysandmikesmom; ...

Here’s a fascinating bunch of UTUBE videos from C2C with Linda Moulton Howe and the fellow who worked for the flight surgeon who observed the autopsies of the EBE’s at Wright Patterson . . . 8 videos at UTUBE:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxF3cn5UZQ4&mode=related&search=


26 posted on 08/06/2007 7:10:20 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
That stars and galaxies formed is rather astounding

No, given the laws, inevitable. Vary that one law and it becomes impossible. That law is the hand of God.

It is more probable that any amino acids that formed by chance would undergo entropy before forming proteins; proteins would be more probable to undergo entropy before forming the first microbe; the first microbe would be more probable to undergo entropy (and therefore revert to non-life) before getting a mutation which advanced it.

Again no. It is becoming more and more likely that life given these laws is inevitable.

Look at the amino acid precursers we saw in deep impact.  Look at the water world (apparently earth like) recently discovered only a few tens of light years away around a small sun.

Cosmic and biological (Macro in the case of biology) is a big, uphill battle. God could have made life via Macroevolution on every single planet in existence, but from a [literalist] reading of the Bible, it seems as though God didn't.

Jesus brought parables. The big change was that he brought non-literalism. The old testament at the time was intensely literal.  His disciples were taught figuratively.  Modern Christianity forgets those roots. Christ taught via figurative alliteration.  He did not set laws by edict unless people just didn't get it, and he saved that for the likes of the merchants in temple.

 

27 posted on 08/06/2007 7:13:36 PM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: KevinDavis

The interviews at the following link that Linda Moulton Howe held with the manager of the company of the flight surgeon who observed the EBE bodies from evidently Roswell . . . 8 videos on UTUBE . . . fascinating and sobering:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxF3cn5UZQ4&mode=related&search=


28 posted on 08/06/2007 7:14:26 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: TraditionalistMommy

I keep sending the Vatican a suggestion that they change “ashes to ashes, dust to dust” to “..., stardust to stardust”, but I have yet to hear back from them.


29 posted on 08/06/2007 7:17:55 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: TraditionalistMommy
I know some people believe the Bible allows for alien life.

The Bible doesn't address the issue. Primarily because such knowledge, while interesting, doesn't represent mankind's greatest need. So, as far as I'm concerned, the existence or non-existence of alien lifeforms is an open question.
30 posted on 08/06/2007 8:21:06 PM PDT by JamesP81 (Keep your friends close; keep your enemies at optimal engagement range)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
If there is extraterrestrial life--in the way the article is referring to--that life would end at the end. Such extraterrestrials, if intelligent, would not have souls. God died for Mankind, and by God becoming human Mankind was given a way to salvation (kinsman redeemer).

Couple of points here.

First of all, if there is extra terrestrial life, it doesn't automatically mean intelligent life. In fact, if life is as common as some think it is, I'd imagine lower forms would be far more common than sentient ones.

Secondly, if we did encounter sentient lifeforms, I think we'd do well to assume that they did have souls. Because if we assumed they didn't and we were wrong, we open the door, at minimum, to not telling them the Truth as we've received it. But we also open the door to unspeakable atrocities. It's easy to turn a blind eye to the suffering of a person whom you don't believe has a soul. See Roe v Wade.
31 posted on 08/06/2007 8:28:37 PM PDT by JamesP81 (Keep your friends close; keep your enemies at optimal engagement range)
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To: Leatherneck_MT
I have never heard a good explanation as to what these people are or were. Aliens? Angels? (fallen or otherwise).

There are a couple of common beliefs. One of the common beliefs is that the Nephilim were indeed fallen angels. Another common view is that the Nephilim (or 'Sons of God') were male descendants of Seth and the 'Daughters of Men' were descendants of Cain. In both cases, the two groups intermarried and this displeased God enough to cause the Flood.

I've never really studied it, so I don't have an opinion.
32 posted on 08/06/2007 8:38:23 PM PDT by JamesP81 (Keep your friends close; keep your enemies at optimal engagement range)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
Look at the water world (apparently earth like) recently discovered only a few tens of light years away around a small sun.

Do you happen to have any links on that? I'd find it interesting.

Jesus brought parables. The big change was that he brought non-literalism.

Be careful to not get too caught up in this. The Epistles were quite literal in their instructions and doctrines. Jesus also wasn't above laying down the law (that whole 'go and sin no more' thing comes to mind).

I am mostly a literalist. However, I don't see that as being a problem. As I've said previously, I don't see that the Bible addresses the issue of extra terrestrial life. That's because such knowledge is not mankind's most pressing need.
33 posted on 08/06/2007 8:43:29 PM PDT by JamesP81 (Keep your friends close; keep your enemies at optimal engagement range)
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To: KevinDavis

I take it the author doesn’t believe in Angels.


34 posted on 08/06/2007 8:45:00 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for those in the womb.)
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To: JamesP81
Because if we assumed they didn't and we were wrong, we open the door, at minimum, to not telling them the Truth as we've received it.

Bravo.  Darned good point.

Makes me curious about the "talking" bonobos, Kanzi and Panbanisha. At what point, if ever, does your point apply to semi sapience. 

Not trying to stir stuff...   They are monkeys (Pygmy Chimps), and barely more than trained  animals as is.

Really curious as to what we do if ever we end up with a bonobo "Monkey" ;-) Angelo that/who has a human type free will and an IQ of 65 or 70 or even 90.

It is purely hypothetical.

It makes me wonder where and if our responsibility based upon comparative intelect would lay.  

35 posted on 08/06/2007 8:55:04 PM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: traditional1
Sorry for the double post....there can’t be TWO of these on the planet, I don’t think!

Looks like you have mating pair there, listen for oinking and grunting to know for sure.

36 posted on 08/06/2007 8:59:47 PM PDT by this_ol_patriot (I saw manbearpig and all I got was this lousy tagline.)
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To: JamesP81

No direct link, but do a bit of research on the star, Gliese 581. I forget if it was planet b or c, but it was in the habitable zone and shows water. It is a bit heavier than we are, but its darn close, and with a bit of $ and existing tech we could see organics if they are there.

The programs designed to do that are not due till something like 2015. We found the planet way before we expected to. We started looking, and blam, something like 50 light years away, around a dwarf star, ding ding ding. Candidate 2 for life as we know it.

Given the number of dwarf stars out there, it makes life as we know it (possible) planets even in our galaxy more common than the grains of sand on earth.

As to the (that whole ‘go and sin no more’ thing comes to mind).

We are human. We sin. It unfortunately is our nature. I think this was figurative as well. You left out “Neither do I condemn thee” If it is to be taken as literal, then man today could be sinless. We cant. Even the most pious, Christian, chartable, good person still is a wretched sinner.


37 posted on 08/06/2007 9:24:27 PM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: KevinDavis

Ask Scientology...


38 posted on 08/06/2007 9:33:48 PM PDT by republican4ever (Israel's fate determines the fate of the world, whether we believe and like it or not.)
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To: JamesP81

Ok I pulled some links for you:

http://www.eso.org/public/outreach/press-rel/pr-2007/pr-22-07.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6589157.stm

And a pleasant podcast:

http://www.astronomycast.com/extrasolar-planets/episode-34-discovering-another-earth/

The podcast is the most fun.


39 posted on 08/06/2007 9:40:35 PM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

To think that the human race is God’s ONLY interest is ALMOST as hubristic as believing in anthropogenic global warming.

Do YOU have only ONE interest? Do YOU have a personal line to God and His thoughts?

Holy arrogance, “master”.


40 posted on 08/06/2007 11:06:20 PM PDT by Don W ("Well Done" is far better to hear than "Well Said". (Samuel Clemens))
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