Posted on 07/11/2007 12:44:49 AM PDT by Dianna
Please DO NOT read this thread if you have not seen the movie. Even if you have read this book, topics under discussion can affect what you will expect in the last book.
Several pet theories for the Deathy Hallows have, perhaps, been laid to rest by the release of this movie. A number of plot points I had thought were important to the end of the series were completely left out of Order of the Phoenix.
1. There is absolutely NO reference to the cleaning of Grimmauld Place. Thus, any speculation about the locket horcrux being hoarded by Kreacher must be false.
2. The prophecy was never heard in full. The portion of the prophecy which could have referred to Neville instead of Harry was omitted.
3. There was no mention of Percy's estrangement from his family. Percy was shown at Fudge's side at important points, but unless his face was remembered from previous movies, people not reading the book may not have caught that.
There were two plot changes which puzzled me. Cho was the one who gave Dumbledore's Army away, not the unimportant character of Marietta. Also, Sirius, before he falls through the veil calls Harry, "James". I assume these changes have a point, but I don't know what.
There was also no reference to Hermione and Ron being Prefects. There was no Quidditch at all, so Ron would not be on the team.
Mundungus?
Stan What’s-his-name?
Producers of the film admitted they had wished to cut an unnamed character, but when Rowling was consulted she advised: "You know, I wouldn't do that if I were you. Or you can, but if you get to make a seventh film, you'll be tied in knots."
Later, director David Yates confirmed that the character in question was Kreacher.
My daughter says this one is the smoothest translation from book to screen of all of the movies so far: You do need to have read the book to get all of the points, but it is much better than the last movie.
Intriguing! I watched the first four over the last couple weeks, and “Goblet of Fire” was quite a disappointment.
I’m re-reading them all now in preparation for “Deathly Hallows” - am nearing the end of “Prisoner” - and am glad to hear that. Thanks!
Hmmmm. Good point.
Yes. Neville's first thought in danger was to grab Luna and run!
I thought Evanna Lynch was great as Luna. She really captured the "space cadet" image
She was perfect for the part!
When Harry hit Bellatrix with the Cruciatus curse, you could see fear on her face even though she wasn't yet in pain. Despite his kind nature now, I imagine Harry will kill and torture without remorse in "Deathly Hallows." If anyone deserves revenge it's Harry, Neville and the Weasley family.
And who knew Aunt Petunia has such hot legs?
Heh, I didn't notice that, but all during Book 6, I had those two in mind as a 'couple'. They seemed made for each other. I really liked the way Luna was portrayed in the movie. 'Space cadet' to be sure, but not too goofy and over the top. Downright sweet in some instances, like in the scene with Harry and the thestrals, even though that was made up for the movie.
Frankly, I like the way the movie shows that teenage boys and girls can be friends with each other, and not have to be romantically linked, like with Harry and Hermione and Luna, and Neville with Hermione and Ginny, and Ron with Luna. It's refreshing, to be sure.
Thanks Null and Void for those biblical pointers too. I totally forgot about the 12 at the dining table.
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Not I!
I saw the movie yesterday with my 11-yr old son, and my only serious criticism is that the film toned down two key scenes where, in the book, Harry’s fury and confusion and isolation come out in full force: the first one, at the house on Rimauld Street, when he lashes out at Hermione and Ron; and the second one, at the end, when he trashes Dumbledore’s office. In the film, both scenes are there (the 2nd one, sort-of, Harry and D do talk, but there is no trashing of the office), but the film really lost a lot of energy because it doesn’t show Harry in full fury.
SAW IT!!!!! WOW...need to see it about 6 more times (at least).... Great arrangement...dragged the boys over for the 9am showing... only EIGHT of us total in the theatre... almost like being at home!!!!! (This place is running shows every half hour all day... and the weather today was gorgeous so now I’m taking them to the pool...)
ANYWAY!Good points on D faking his death, I forgot how he tried to pursuade Draco. And maybe Petunia WAS talking about Snape...I can believe that....
I really liked the movie but could have used another hour of filling in. Tonks was a riot. I could have used more screen time with Snape, Sirius, and Lupin. The twins leaving was good but I was hoping it would be a bit more over the top. Still, I was eating it all up.
The scene at the end with Harry fighting V’s possession was very telling (IMO), you know the “love factor” will prevail in the end.
Given the fact of the depth of the book, they really did do a decent job of putting it on screen. Luna was perfect and what I really liked was the early scene with all the wizards and witches in the kitchen. Somehow, having all the characters in that one room made me want to be there in the worst way (Guess I dropped into a personal fantasy...)....
Anyway, I’m going to try put together a neighborhood “pre-DH” party next week...can’t wait to get my book from Amazon...the kid is already trying to negotiate advanced reading rights...too bad...mom first.
;D
Yes, but did you like it???
Does anyone know who Luna’s parents are?
Her dad publishes The Quibbler, her mom’s dead, other than that, no.
Interesting question, though...
At least I know the main ingredient in the potion...
In HBP we learned that it was Snape who heard the first part of the prophecy and told Voldemort, because at the time, Snape was still a Death Eater. He didn't know it had anything to do with Harry until Voldemort killed James and Lily.
Maybe the idea that Snape was secretly in love with Lily is true. If that's the case, he may have come over to Dumbledore and the Order so as to find a way to kill Voldemort as revenge for Lily. He may still hate Harry because he is such a visible reminder of James, who Snape DID hate, not only because of their emnity at school, but also because Lily ended up marrying him.
Everyone is under the impression that it is Harry who has to kill Voldemort; Harry thinks so himself. But the prophecy only said neither can exist while the other one lives. I take that to mean that neither will be satisfied until the other is dead. It doesn't necessarily mean that one has to kill the other. It could be, in the final showdown, that Snape ends up sacrificing himself for Harry, in atonement for Lily's death, but kills Voldemort in the process so that Harry doesn't have to have the death on his conscience and his soul. I don't know how Dumbledore figures in all this, except maybe as a distraction in the final battle so that Snape has the opportunity to kill Voldemort, but I still don't think he's dead.
OK, so next week we'll see if my WAG is anywhere near what happens.
Avada Kedavra has always been accompanied by green light.
but looking back at OOTP, Bellatrix's killing curse on Sirius was accompanied by a RED jet of light.
It twern't the curse that killed, it was falling through the curtian.
Maybe the idea that Snape was secretly in love with Lily is true. If that's the case, he may have come over to Dumbledore and the Order so as to find a way to kill Voldemort as revenge for Lily.
Agreed
He may still hate Harry because he is such a visible reminder of James,
I think it's because Harry has Lilly's eyes. Every time Snape looked into those eyes he was forcibly reminded of his betrayal and his personal culpability in her death.
Everyone is under the impression that it is Harry who has to kill Voldemort; Harry thinks so himself. But the prophecy only said neither can exist while the other one lives.
Very good! I think it will be Neville, that classic everyman, who takes out Voldemort.
OK, so next week we'll see if my WAG is anywhere near what happens.
If we don't burst first!
Remember, Bellatrix said you had to mean the curse, and also enjoy it.
It made me wonder if we've ever seen any of the good guys use an unforgivable curse successfully. Snape used Avada Kedavra on Dumbledore. But in the rest of the battles, were our guys using those curses?
I'm not sure any of the kids are up to it, even Harry.
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