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'There's racism in this debate'
Ft. Worth Star Telegram ^ | Mon, Jul. 09, 2007 | ED MORALES

Posted on 07/09/2007 5:06:45 AM PDT by TLI

Bigotry and intimidation defeated the immigration bill more than anything else.

Right-wing media pundits and their ultraconservative followers spewed a systematic and steady stream of vitriol that was so extreme that even Senate Republicans complained.

"There's racism in this debate," said Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., reacting to the tone used by the immigration bill's opponents.

Ever since the immigration issue picked up steam last spring, an increasingly nasty tone of hatred and intolerance has been directed at Hispanics in America.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: aliens; bill; graham; illegal; immigrantlist; immigration; liberalagenda; racism
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To: Gay State Conservative

LOL..just imagine what would happen if the country was looking at the possibility of an instant super minority of illegal French.


21 posted on 07/09/2007 7:52:12 AM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: bray
I'll pray for W to remember his SWORN (hand on bible) constitutional oath.

U.S. Constitution, Article 4 Section 4:

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,

and shall protect each of them against Invasion;"


Invasion: \In*va"sion\, n. [L. invasio: cf. F. invasion. See Invade.] [1913 Webster]

1. The act of invading; the act of encroaching upon the rights or possessions of another; encroachment; trespass.


22 posted on 07/09/2007 7:54:58 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: nativist

Last time I checked the anti-illegal immigration folks didn’t field a “civil rights” organization called “The Race” with a motto of “For those withing the Race, everything; for those outside the Race, nothing.”

The racism is mostly on the other side.


23 posted on 07/09/2007 8:00:00 AM PDT by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: If his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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To: bray
Those posters who wanted to put up gun turrets wanted to kill Mexicans out of love.

Well, no...but they didn't necessarily want to kill them just because they were Latino. If they wanted to shoot them for being illegal border crossers rather than for being Latin-American, that might make them cruel...but it wouldn't make them racist.

24 posted on 07/09/2007 8:01:28 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Travis McGee
"I'll pray for W to remember his SWORN (hand on bible) constitutional oath."

We need to keep the Country intact as a springboard of Freedom. In other words..if we import a large portion of another culture too quickly and they do not assimilate then we loose part of the culture of Freedom. Why is that good for anyone W?

Make The DHS build the fence and get control of the flow.

25 posted on 07/09/2007 8:11:36 AM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: Travis McGee

You don’t mind if I pray for him do you??

When did he ever say he would deport Mexicans?? He is his own man and that is what you don’t like.

Pray for W and Our Troops


26 posted on 07/09/2007 8:15:03 AM PDT by bray (Member of the FR President Bush underground)
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To: bray
Mexicans are mostly Christians. I believe W to be a strong Christian as well I but I don't let my Christian friends have the complete shirt off my back. Erasing the border is too much for the Christian Mexicans to ask of their fellow American Christians. There are too many bad elements getting through in the chaos.

I understand that we need more workers and I understand that we need more bodies with a moral sense to defeat future enemies but there is a real danger of the collapse of the fabric within the Country if the threads are sown too hastily or knitted too loosely.

Americans are keenly aware of a danger...most can not place it in words but they know it is there. Individual states are taking the threat seriously and creating thier own laws to send the problem elsewhere but this only serves to put tension on the union.

The bill is dead..but our borders are still open. As most of the bills supporters stated...something needs to be done and it needs to be done now.

27 posted on 07/09/2007 8:36:37 AM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: bray
Those posters who wanted to put up gun turrets wanted to kill Mexicans out of love.

Playing the race card yet again, I see.

29 posted on 07/09/2007 8:54:17 AM PDT by dirtboy (Impeach Chertoff and Gonzales. We can't wait until 2009 for them to be gone.)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


30 posted on 07/09/2007 9:03:10 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: All

I tend to get mad when they don’t speak English because they refuse to learn it and then get welfare, free medical care, all the usual perks etc — and aren’t even citizens! They think they have the right to be here. No, they have the right to apply for citizenship and then become citizens IF they can provide for themselves and be productive citizens.

The real issue is not a bunch of people who we don’t want being here. The real issue is the erasure of our nation’s borders. This is a violation of our national sovereignty and the beginning of the North American Union.


31 posted on 07/09/2007 9:08:15 AM PDT by haplesswanderer (Ron Paul 2008 - End the Fed, Fire the IRS, NO NORTH AMERICAN UNION!)
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To: TLI
Here are the racists:

I mean, if they weren't racists, why would they lend their political capital to a violently anti-American organization called "the Race"?


32 posted on 07/09/2007 9:10:26 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Implement the FairTax and be free and prosperous, or stick with the StupidTax...it's up to you...)
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To: Sherman Logan

So what? Many Mexicans and other hispanics are as racist as the day is long. Are you really that easily manipulated?

Maybe you should go talk to LaRaza or MEChA or LULAC about it.


33 posted on 07/09/2007 9:13:49 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: bray

OH BS!


34 posted on 07/09/2007 9:14:16 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: TLI
What nonsense. How is it racism and bigotry if we oppose rewarding criminals? I am against amnesty for Mexicans as well as the Russian Mafia members, Somalis, Jamaicans, etc.
35 posted on 07/09/2007 9:20:31 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: bray
Most Mexicans are Brown and generally not liked by Americans so racism is a reality.

Is it the brown color that Americans don't like or is it the different language or is it the fact that too many don't care to learn the language and many think this is their land not Americans? Just because some people don't like Mexicans doesn't mean that in any way defines the issue for the majority. I think many browns from Mexico illegally don't like whites, or blacks for that matter.

The problem with people like you is that you are using the same argument for illegals that liberals have used against Conservatives for years and that is the race card. We have fought that kind of attack for 40 years and I will be damned if I would let supposedly one of my own use it on me.

If 12 million Mexicans came to the U.S., learned the language, learned Americans history and culture like others must, learn the Presidents and important American holidays, renounced allegiance to Mexico and swore allegiance to the U.S. are you saying Conservatives and Republicans wouldn't welcome them with open arms because they have brown skin? Is that what you are saying?

36 posted on 07/09/2007 9:20:34 AM PDT by nativist (Weigh into them!)
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To: TLI
"There's racism in this debate," said Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., reacting to the tone used by the immigration bill's opponents.

Um, no, there's not, Lindsey.

Unless you consider foreigners a different race than Americans.

Me, I believe my biology book, which told me our race is HUMAN.

Sheesh. I am getting very tired of explaining this.
37 posted on 07/09/2007 9:28:13 AM PDT by Xenalyte (Lord, I apologize . . . and be with the starving pygmies in New Guinea amen.)
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To: nativist

Geraldo and Sammy Sosa are the same race as you and I are. Check any first-year biology book.


38 posted on 07/09/2007 9:31:44 AM PDT by Xenalyte (Lord, I apologize . . . and be with the starving pygmies in New Guinea amen.)
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To: TLI

“There’s racism in this debate,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., reacting to the tone used by the immigration bill’s opponents.

Here’s some more “racists” for you, as follows:

“You Don’t Speak for Me! Formed when Col. Al Rodriguez became fed up watching media coverage of the mass protests of April. ‘Their leaders were saying it was a march for immigrant rights and a Latino/Hispanic movement,’ says Rodriguez. ‘I thought to myself, ‘Hey, those are illegal aliens, not immigrants!’ Col. Rodriguez began speaking out to others saying, ‘I’m of Hispanic ancestry and those people are acting like they speak for me. Well, you don’t speak for me!’”

http://dontspeakforme.org/


39 posted on 07/09/2007 9:45:01 AM PDT by STE=Q ("Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock." (Will Rogers))
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To: bray

>Most Mexicans are Brown and generally not liked by Americans so racism is a reality.<

Please, do not try to push your own prejudices onto the rest of us.


40 posted on 07/09/2007 10:12:09 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Check out this website for the National Veterans Coalition http://www.nvets.org/)
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