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What is Next on Immigration? (2)
Greg F | 6/9/07 | Greg F

Posted on 06/09/2007 5:36:38 AM PDT by Greg F

I posted this thread yesterday as well. This is a summary of what was posted yesterday (my apologies for not indicating who posted it, too much work!). If I may be so bold, pick something you are not doing and do it . . . and if you have additional ideas or contact numbers or more specific numbers, sites, actions then let us know.

Here's what I got from yesterdays postings:

Press Congress and the Senate to fully fund the fence.

Press the administration to focus on deporting illegal alien criminals with existing agents.

Press the States to sue the Federal government under Article IV of the Constitution guaranteeing a republican form of government and protection against invasion. Section 4: The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

Sign the petition by Duncan Hunter at his campaign website: http://www.gohunter08.com/petition/

The phones should keep ringing telling the bums to enforce our laws.

Put the pressure on the GOP through local/county/state organizations. Make them say UNCLE...SAM, not Ted.

Press Bush to do his constitutional duty at the borders.

Send contributions directly to solid patriotic candidates.

Continue to demand massive deportations.

Press for jail time for employers that hire illegal aliens.

Go through the list of procedural and amendment votes cast by your Congresscritters on this bill and send a note of thanks for each vote that you approve of. (For some, that won’t take long at all!)

If we show some serious backbone, many will self deport. We should have a pretty good indicator how such a program will work as France implements their deportations of illegal aliens with a goal of 25k per week.

I favor an amendment revoking automatic citizenship for children born on US soil. The child should assume the nationality of the mother. This will stop border crossing babies and reduce the split family problem.

Or, as a summary of much of the above: We need to push a NEW bill called "FEDS." 1) FENCE (build it) 2) ENFORCE (the law) 3) DEPORT (as many as possible) 4) SANCTION (all employers who violate the law)

Kill McCain’s presidential campaign.

The 7 Senators and John Kyl should be constantly reminded that we are going to work hard to defeat them in their next Primary.

Stay alert and active with organizations like fairus.org and alipac.org

Support the Border Patrol


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KEYWORDS: alien; aliens; amnesty; bush; elections; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration; mccain; shamnesty; supportourtroops; vampirebill
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To: cake_crumb
Bush has been trying to ram thru the amnesty bill since April 2001 !
He met with FOX about the amnesty sell out the US plan right after getting into office . Bush wanted the secret meetings with the Senate and a one week ram it thru with no discussion session !This sell out of the US is Jorge mess and there is something very very sinister about it ! Rove and Bush know this amnesty bill will destroy the GOP and bankrupt this country and they do not care ! The senate does NOT EVEN know how much this will cost ! The WH did not want the CBO to complete a required CBO analysis . So do you get the picture NOW!
21 posted on 06/09/2007 6:04:40 AM PDT by BurtSB (the price of freedom is eternal vigilance)
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To: cake_crumb

I wish we could just blame Congress.

Bush has been so far out in front on this issue he has to take the heat too.

He should “back off”. Instead, he pushes forward, or threatens to do so.

He has given up before, but this time is taking many other people down with him. The primaries will be bloody and we will all lose in the end. I wish the reason for his zeal on this bill were truly known. Martinez was forced on us here in Florida...Spector I did not want to see returned to the Senate...on and on. There must be a “big picture” that is not in focus for me.

When something does not “feel” right, it often isn’t!


22 posted on 06/09/2007 6:06:05 AM PDT by 3D-JOY
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To: Greg F
What is wrong with enforcing the immigration laws now on the books?

If an armed invader was pouring across the Mexican border would we stand helplessly by wringing our hands and let the invaders take the country?

Whether the invaders are armed or unarmed, the result is the same. The invaders occupy territory, seize resources and change the laws, custom and language of the invaded country.

No civilized nation in the past has ever survived such a massive demographic shift as we are being subjected to.

And no great nation has ever been invaded by 12 to 20 million invaders. Even the Mongol Horde did not number that many.

23 posted on 06/09/2007 6:10:41 AM PDT by R.W.Ratikal
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To: Greg F

Or, conversely, you might consider that there has been incrementalism on illegal immigration and the proposed legalization of so many illegals is the culmination of incrementalism starting from 1965’s immigration bill.


24 posted on 06/09/2007 6:11:40 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: Andy'smom

[[The illegals have their own protest planned:]]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18572433/

Read this whole article please. They are planning more civil disobedience to try to intimidate America into giving away our country.

And now look who traitorous Billy “La Raza” Bratton is using to make sure that this civil disobedience is successful?

Sergio Diaz, a 30-year department veteran who is currently assistant commanding officer for the Special Operations Bureau, will replace Cayler “Lee” Carter Jr., who was the highest ranking police official at the scene of the clash.

LA is becoming stinking rotten Mexico faster than you can say “Taco Bell”


25 posted on 06/09/2007 6:12:36 AM PDT by Buffettfan (VIVA LA MIGRA! - LONG LIVE THE MINUTEMEN!)
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To: BurtSB

Where is ROVE hiding anyway? Is his advice being ignored?


26 posted on 06/09/2007 6:13:05 AM PDT by 3D-JOY
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To: R.W.Ratikal
What is wrong with enforcing the immigration laws now on the books?

What, expect them to do their jobs?

27 posted on 06/09/2007 6:14:30 AM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: philman_36
One thing at a time! Build the fence. When that is DONE, and only then, move on to steps 2-4

Yup... put up all 800+ miles of it first... eradicate the 'sanctuary-cities' and 'anchor baby' enablements and then we'll talk. No “trust & verify” on this issue. We agreed to that in 1965 and 1986 and got hosed on both occasions.

28 posted on 06/09/2007 6:14:50 AM PDT by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: R.W.Ratikal

“At the time of Ghengis Khan’s birth in the 1160’s, they were a loose group of about 30 nomadic tribes in a constant state of turmoil. They are believed to have numbered between 2 and 3 million.”

So you are right, the number of illegals was about the same as the Mongol Horde in the 1986 amnesty, and is now 5 to 10 times as large.


29 posted on 06/09/2007 6:15:53 AM PDT by Greg F (<><)
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To: Greg F

“Send contributions directly to solid patriotic candidates. “

There is another thread about conservatives “leaving the GOP”

I think you are on to something here, however, the solution would be for conservatives to organize a separate funding entity within the GOP. This would influence the GOP more than witholding contributions, or sending them to alternate candidates- because there would be a visible sign of the support that conservative positions have within the GOP.

I have no idea how this might be accomplished, only that I am sure it can be accomplished. If there were an alternative place to send political contributions - not a PAC but within the GOP itself, then the party can be brought back toward a more conservative postion.

This would also force the GOP to actively reject conservatives if they wanted to stop this - providing a funding base for an alternate party if this unfortunate eventuality were to occur.

Right now if and individual, or a corporation wants to gain political influence, you have to donate to Satan, or Satan’s little brother. A “conservative GOP” alternative would be a sure test of conservative political legs. I’d like to know if they can truly stand by themselves in todays political environment.

Just sayin’......


30 posted on 06/09/2007 6:17:27 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: Buffettfan
The LAPD has caved in to the pro-illegal crowd and that is a very bad sign.

The Paris Hilton/L.A. County Jail thing has made me wonder why there are any illegals in our jails and prisons in the first place. Why aren’t they deported immediately after arrest? Since they are not citizens, why should they get due process? For the Mexican illegals, there should be an IMMEDIATE bus trip back. For the Caribbeans, the Guatemalans, the Chinese, and all the others, there should be a giant building at LAX for IMMEDIATE Con Air flights back to the country of origin.
For any of TROP crowd, there should be documentation and interrogation before the flight back to the sand dune of origin.

First, we need to stop the flood. Next, we need to start bailing. Get the illegals out of this country. All 12 or 20 or 30...the number doesn’t matter, the message does.

31 posted on 06/09/2007 6:25:33 AM PDT by ishabibble (ALL AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: 3D-JOY
Trust me , Rove and Jorge are the dangerous idiots behind this amnesty bill.He has spoken out and been booed on the stage at a DC fund raiser last year on this topic. I think he internationally sabotage the 2006 reelection GOP Congress because they killed the bill .
This idiot was give out the wrong advice to Congressman about letting Jorge talk about amnesty in there districts.
Oddly, Frank Luntz the GOP pollster gave them the exact opposite advice which is to be pro border fence first.
The WH wanted a Dem congress to get this bill thru !
32 posted on 06/09/2007 6:26:30 AM PDT by BurtSB (the price of freedom is eternal vigilance)
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To: cake_crumb

Bush is a HUGE disapointment!!!

1. He leads the charge for amnesty.
2. Fails to enforce the borders and build the fence.
3. Supports giving 2.5 trillion of dollars to illegals, yet can’t fund Social Security.
4. Nevers vetoes a spending bill.

I could go on & on, but I’ll stop after listing just 4 things.

I wouldn’t vote for him again even if he was able to run again.


33 posted on 06/09/2007 6:28:13 AM PDT by Keen-Minded
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To: Keen-Minded
Conservatives truly should start pressing for his impeachment. Notice how all the vitriol from the left moonbats about impeachment has gone away? One must wonder whether it’s tied to this legislation.
34 posted on 06/09/2007 6:47:23 AM PDT by IndySecurityMom
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To: etradervic

That’s a good letter. I suggested to my Senators (California) that they needed to get REAL jobs, and I would be helping them. hahah.


35 posted on 06/09/2007 6:47:52 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: ovrtaxt

Senators cannot be recalled. Wish they could!


36 posted on 06/09/2007 6:49:54 AM PDT by EEDUDE (The more I know, the less I understand...)
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To: Greg F

One other idea; start deporting all illegals who are arrested for committing a crime, and charging a $5,000 fee before they are deported - otherwise they sit in a jail near the border. This would be like a pre-payment on the $5,000 amnesty fee in the Kennedy-McCain bill.


37 posted on 06/09/2007 6:52:23 AM PDT by Bernard (You can't fix stupid. Stop trying.)
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To: johnny7

Guess Bush feels he has nothing to loose. Man , did he stab me in the back .


38 posted on 06/09/2007 6:55:47 AM PDT by sonic109
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To: IndySecurityMom

Impeachment isn’t an option with just a year and a half left in his presidency. It puts too much strain on the nation and would divert attention from important
issues like immigration.

WE must be vigilant and block every attempt that is brought up supporting amnesty.


39 posted on 06/09/2007 6:57:55 AM PDT by Keen-Minded
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To: IndySecurityMom

Maybe Bush is trying to please those who have been hating him all this time . Sort of clearing his soul . I don’t know , something is really wrong. My buddy suggest that the Left has something BIG on Bush and they are holding it over his head . He may be right .


40 posted on 06/09/2007 6:58:06 AM PDT by sonic109
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