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A Two-Time Universe? Physicist Explores How Second Dimension of Time Could Unify Physics Laws
PhysOrg ^ | May 15, 2007 | Tom Siegfried

Posted on 05/20/2007 8:59:57 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

For a long time, Itzhak Bars has been studying time.. Einstein's theory of gravity and quantum theory don't fit together. Some piece is missing in the picture puzzle of physical reality. Bars thinks one of the missing pieces is a hidden dimension of time... With two times, Bars believes, many of the mysteries of today's laws of physics may disappear. Of course, it's not as simple as that. An extra dimension of time is not enough. You also need an additional dimension of space... Other dimensions could exist, however, if they were curled up in little balls, too tiny to notice. If you moved through one of those dimensions, you'd get back to where you started so fast you'd never realize that you had moved... Something as tiny as a subatomic particle, though, might detect the presence of extra dimensions... Adopting the more symmetric two-time approach may help. Describing the 11 dimensions of M theory in the language of two-time physics would require adding one time dimension plus one space dimension, giving nature 11 space and two time dimensions. "The two-time version of M theory would have a total of 13 dimensions," Bars said.

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TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: stringtheory
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To: LeGrande; Alamo-Girl
Ping ... you'll enjoy this one.

BTW, Alamo_Girl, please ping me when these topics of time and reality arise. I don't want to miss your offerings or those of bb.

41 posted on 05/24/2007 11:46:47 AM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN

Thanks MHGinTN! Will do!


42 posted on 05/24/2007 12:17:27 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

That’s not a blackboard, it’s a n Escherboard.


43 posted on 05/24/2007 4:50:11 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: RightWhale; hosepipe; r9etb; betty boop; LeGrande; Alamo-Girl; gcruse

Try this: what preceded the bang was a point of time, then linear expression occurred, creating first level spatial expression (linear), then the leading end of linear space burst and present time with planar space was created, which burst (the inflationary period of current fame), but only dimension space expressed in the inflation yielding volumetric space laced by present time, with the potential for future time as the solaton at the expansion edge of our spacetime universe, an edge that permeates the entire of volumetric space giving rise to the acceleration of spacetime in which matter is congealed.


44 posted on 05/24/2007 4:58:40 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: csense

“time” is nothing more than over running matter waves, in newtons of wave Force. Visualize a surf wave slamming into a seawall, that’s what happens as a h by h movie at the quantum level, referred to as the “collapse of the wavefunction”. But these esoteric pinheads will never get THAT, it’s too SIMPLE, and too SIMPLE = funding dries up for their string theory ballerina dance...

All this joker is talking about : two time dimensions, is nothing more than Particle velocity and matter wavelength(dPv and dWs), the REAL determinants in the HUP. “delta momentum” is an oxymoron, as is “rest mass”.


45 posted on 05/24/2007 5:14:00 PM PDT by timer (n/0=n=nx0)
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To: MHGinTN

Thank you for sharing your speculation on the big bang!


46 posted on 05/24/2007 8:02:23 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

You’re so kind ... just when I am realizing I should have kept my mouth shut, er, kept my fingers off this thread and not written that post in such august company.


47 posted on 05/24/2007 8:49:02 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN
August is here? LOL, just kidding.

Cosmology - and in particular, the beginning of time - is a fascinating subject to me. Evidently it is to you, also.

You might enjoy this summary of cosmologies: Time before Time

48 posted on 05/24/2007 9:01:33 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

I’m already backlogged on reading the interesting links you posted in these two cosmology threads. Bring on another ... my cats won’t mind the delay in being put in the garage for the night!


49 posted on 05/24/2007 9:11:42 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN

LOLOL! I know the feeling, dear MHGinTN. I have given up the notion that I will ever be caught up on my reading.


50 posted on 05/24/2007 9:21:29 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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Physics News Update: Time and Time Again
by Phil Schewe and Ben Stein
Number 829, June 19, 2007
The addition of an extra time and an extra space dimension, together with a requirement that all motion in the enlarged space be symmetric under an interchange of position and momentum at any instant, reproduces all possible dynamics in ordinary spacetime, and brings to light many relationships and hidden symmetries that are actually present in our own universe... Bars... says that his theory explains CP conservation in the strong interactions described by QCD without the need for a new particle, the axion, which has not been found in experiments. It also explains the fact that the elliptical orbit of planets remains fixed (not counting well-known tiny precessions). This “Runge-Lenz” symmetry effect has remained somewhat mysterious in the study of celestial mechanics, but now could be understood as being due to the symmetry of rotations into the fourth space dimension.

51 posted on 06/27/2007 7:17:54 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated June 27, 2007.)
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To: snarks_when_bored

Original title of song was “Times in two bottles”...heh,heh.


52 posted on 09/08/2008 2:31:57 PM PDT by Getready (Wisdom is more valuable than gold and diamonds, and harder to find.)
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To: Getready
A Two-Time Universe? Physicist Explores How Second Dimension of Time Could Unify Physics Laws

Just how bad would it be if our universe were a two-timer?

53 posted on 09/09/2008 1:20:38 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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