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A380 break-even point raised
Seattle Post-Intelligencer ^ | May 4, 2007 3:05 p.m. | James Wallace

Posted on 05/05/2007 5:45:58 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative

Airbus said Friday it has once again raised the break-even point for the troubled A380.

In 2005, Airbus was saying that it would need to sell only 270 of the planes to break even. Last year, that jumped to 420 planes as a result of costly wiring problems that delayed delivery of the A380 by up to two years.

Airbus Chief Executive Louis Gallois said Friday at the annual shareholder meeting of parent company European Aeronautic Defense and Space Co. that the break-even point for the A380 has been raised, but he did not disclose to new figure.

"Clearly because of the difficulties of the A380, the break-even point has increased," Gallois said. EADS for now isn't giving specific targets on the number of A380s it needs to sell to break even on the project, he said.

Airbus has currently sold 156 A380s.

Friday's EADS shareholder meeting was anything but peaceful after a dismal 2006.

"Sometimes I feel that the competition between the A350 and Boeing's 787 is already lost," said a woman who identified herself as Miriam Lange.

The Wall Street Journal Friday detailed the problems at EADS.

Today's annual meeting for EADS comes at a crucial time for the company, which is trying to nurse its Airbus division back to health after a series of missteps building and designing new models that dragged the plane maker to a €572 million ($777.6 million) loss last year and slashed the parent company's profit.


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Back when Airbus announced the new breakeven number of 420 last year, I figured the number was probably in excess of 500. I wouldn't be surprised if the real number is over 600 now.
1 posted on 05/05/2007 5:45:59 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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Co-CEO's Tom Enders, right, and Louis Gallois, standing,
prepare for the start of the annual shareholders meeting of
EADS, the parent of Airbus, in Amsterdam, Netherlands,
Friday, May 4, 2007. (AP Photo/Peter Dejong)

If you want on or off my aerospace ping list, please contact me by Freep mail.


2 posted on 05/05/2007 5:48:29 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative
Airbus has currently sold 156 A380s.

And delivered how many?

3 posted on 05/05/2007 5:49:34 AM PDT by FreePaul
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Zero!


4 posted on 05/05/2007 5:51:54 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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...that the break-even point for the A380 has been raised, but he did not disclose to new figure.

That is bad! It's probably up to 2000 by now!!!!! (notice the typo in the article? "to new figure" not "the new figure")
5 posted on 05/05/2007 5:54:35 AM PDT by starbase (Understanding Written Propaganda (click "starbase" to learn 22 manipulating tricks!!))
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To: Paleo Conservative
I don’t really know anything about the topic other than as a rare consumer, but I flew in an Airbus product to Latin America recently and it was my impression that the plane was “lighter” and not “as stiff” as a Boeing product. Is that just my perception?
6 posted on 05/05/2007 5:59:15 AM PDT by wastoute
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those who invested into Airbus will NEVER get their money worth. Think about it, the goal shouldn’t be to break even, the goal should’ve been to get a decent return.

Whats the point of breaking even in 20 years, when the money could’ve been better spent elsewhere where you could’ve made 100% back in 1 year, and get 10% return every year for the next 20 years in other business ventures


7 posted on 05/05/2007 6:13:45 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: FreePaul
"And delivered how many?"

The same number as Boeing 787's that have been delivered.

At least it's flying.

8 posted on 05/05/2007 6:14:01 AM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: Paleo Conservative

A380=pure Eurotrash.


9 posted on 05/05/2007 6:41:13 AM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Wrong!!! They delivered 1:18 scale models to every client :-)))


10 posted on 05/05/2007 6:41:36 AM PDT by QQQQ
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To: Paleo Conservative
"Sometimes I feel that the competition between the A350 and Boeing's 787 is already lost," said a woman who identified herself as Miriam Lange.

If Boeing doesn't screw the 787 up, she's probably right. Boeing is just so far ahead of Airbus right now on their widebody replacements (787 vs. A350-variation-of-the-week).

Airbus tried to guess the market, and they guessed wrong.

}:-)4

11 posted on 05/05/2007 6:54:59 AM PDT by Moose4 ("(Rudy's) the exact same animal as Hillary only he wears a dress." --Jim Robinson)
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To: FreePaul

Not to self...buy some more BA stock monday.


12 posted on 05/05/2007 7:00:25 AM PDT by spokeshave ("Hitlery is uniting the country. Everybody hates her.")
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To: Paleo Conservative

the socialist capitalism model at its finest, just like what mrs. clinton wants to do with the energy companies in this country when she is elected in 2008.


13 posted on 05/05/2007 7:01:02 AM PDT by JohnLongIsland
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In an apparent effort to soothe worker anger, Airbus France said separately Friday that it had proposed a 2.5 percent salary increase and a €500 (US$680) bonus for all employees after a meeting with labor leaders.

Airbus employs 22,000 people in France, but 4,300 of those jobs are slated to be cut.

Shareholders approved a €0.12 (US$0.16) dividend at the meeting, down from €0.65 last year, and a motion allowing the company to issue new shares if need be.

But “we feel a capital increase is not necessary at this time,” Lagardere said. “We feel it’s the worst way” to raise money.

Shares in EADS, which is to publish first-quarter earnings next week, rose 0.5 percent to close at €23.27 ($31.61) in Paris.


14 posted on 05/05/2007 7:07:22 AM PDT by tlb
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I think the problem was Airbus didn’t even consider the market. The whole purpose of the A380 was to show that it was superior to anything the US could produce, in particular the 747. And I think that sentiment actually came from the EU, not just Airbus.
15 posted on 05/05/2007 7:07:33 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Paleo Conservative
I think the A380 will go down in history as one of the biggest business blunders of all time. Certainly the biggest in aviation history.
16 posted on 05/05/2007 7:36:30 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: Paleo Conservative

Betcha the “break even point” is more than they’re ever going to sell.

Wait, then that’s a loss isn’t it?

Trying to make politics and socialism triumpth over the reality of the market just ain’t gonna work Ms. Royal avec fromage.


17 posted on 05/05/2007 7:53:23 AM PDT by garyhope (It's World War IV, right here, right now courtesy of Islam.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Its probably more like 2,ooo!


18 posted on 05/05/2007 9:06:19 AM PDT by True Republican Patriot (God Bless America and The Republicans)
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To: Moose4

“Airbus tried to guess the market, and they guessed wrong.”

No they guessed right but designed wrong :)


19 posted on 05/05/2007 9:19:58 AM PDT by Shots (Loose lips sink ships)
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To: NavyCanDo
I think the A380 will go down in history as one of the biggest business blunders of all time. Certainly the biggest in aviation history.

I think you are correct in that assumption. This will be right up there with "The Spruce Goose" of aviation SNAFU's.

20 posted on 05/05/2007 10:49:44 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Guns don't kill people. None of my guns ever left the house at night and killed anyone.)
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