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To: windchime
We sure get a lot of information even though there's a gag order.

If you don't look at the whole picture of Virgie, you're going to miss the boat.

She raised Danny for 6 years and was denied being present at his funeral. One of the cruelest things I've heard of in my life.

She raised Anna until Anna decided she didn't like rules. She went to live with her aunt. She got pregnant. She was stripping and she took off again leaving that little baby behind WITH MOM.

She got into drugs and wound up marrying a 90 year old man (who was on his death bed) and had an awful lot of money. Then the Danny became useful. Anna's diary switches from love to money at the drop of a dime.

I think Virgie did everything she could to keep Anna on track but Anna is easily swayed because Anna only cared about Anna.

The facts are, Larry is the father but the bloodline runs through the mother. Howard wants Virgie with "no rights"...none, zip, 0.

It's not a hate thing...(he has no feelings)...it's a legal thing and there's more here than meets the eye. Dannie Lynn and Virgie are blood relatives and that's her grandchild.

If your daughter got pregnant and you knew little about the father, and he said "go away grandma", what would you do? Remember, Anna wasn't married to Larry. Being a parent is not "ownership".

Virgie and Dannie Lynn are the only two REAL PEOPLE in this whole mess. Larry might be a nice guy...but

8,638 posted on 04/27/2007 4:09:10 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: Sacajaweau

If LB does not return to the Bahamas in June then he will have a civil contempt and will not be able to return there at all....ever. This means that the child will not be able to visit either and in time, when she is older she would want to visit her mother and brother’s grave. If he were to fail to appear then his standing in any issues will be comprimised including the current motion that Virgie has pending to move the bodies to Texas.


8,644 posted on 04/27/2007 5:44:11 AM PDT by msgumshoe
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To: Sacajaweau

Though I felt pity for Virgie for her losses, I was instinctively turned off the minute she opened her mouth at the ‘body possession’ hearings. It’s not the same as the visceral feeling of evil that surrounds HKS or KE (for me), but let’s just say I could not in a million years feel respect for or warmness toward her. I’d love for her to prove me wrong.

The REAL person in this mess is Dannielynn.

Larry is the adult toward whom my support LEANS for a few reasons. The first is because, in an age when men run away from responsibility for their children, he fought for it. Second is because he is from my home state. Third is a fondness because he and my daughter earned the same degree from the University of Louisville so I can readily relate to part of his life. The other players in this saga could be from Mars as far as my realm of acquaintances goes.

I’m trying to envision myself in Virgie’s position. It’s a real stretch because my relationship with my daughter is like daylight and dark different than what ANS and Virgie had. In my situation even having pets is not referred to as ‘ownership’.


8,664 posted on 04/27/2007 7:23:55 AM PDT by windchime (I consider the left one of the fronts on the WOT(everything not sourced should be regarded as IMO))
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To: Sacajaweau

Evidentally the six year thing has been over-stated, for most of that time ANS and Daniel were living with Virgie and he didn’t go to Virgie at all until he was around two (according to what I’ve been reading elsewhere)


8,697 posted on 04/27/2007 9:48:39 AM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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