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Anna Nicole Smith, The Investigation #3

Posted on 04/07/2007 3:14:35 PM PDT by mom4kittys

Thread Number 3


TOPICS: Chit/Chat
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To: Pepper777
I know Pepper777.Think about this, Anna had enough control to know it was wrong for her to abort.If she had that much control to go through a pregnancy she would have known who Howard was.
301 posted on 04/07/2007 10:01:24 PM PDT by fatima (Shut up Murtha)
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To: Pepper777

It’s because he’s sneaky and operates under the table on everything he does.


302 posted on 04/07/2007 10:02:03 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: Luvlyness

I don’t think he’s that - I think he’s representing HKS as that. Since HKS has no legal standing, he can’t very well appoint someone else to be that!

Well, I guess he *can* - it just doesn’t mean anything!


303 posted on 04/07/2007 10:04:34 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: Rte66
Have you tried using aloe gel on them? I have something similar on my legs. First the doctor and thought I was allergic to liquid laundry softener so he wrote a prescritpion for Predisone, but I don't take drugs.


Even after I washed all my clothes inside out 3 or 4 times it was still there. I had been and still am going through a lot of stress so now we think it is shingles.

Like you, I have tried hydro-cortisone cream, but found aloe worked better for me. It’s quite inexpensive and most drug stores carry it.

Before I started using aloe I was even scratching them while I slept and I’d wake up with blood all over my sheets. That hasn't happened since I started using Aloe gel.

Just a thought, because I know what you are going through.

304 posted on 04/07/2007 10:05:48 PM PDT by SweetCaroline (***Your own healing is the Greatest Message of Hope to others!***)
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To: nynjanais

When I said that the first time, many here jumped on me and said there was no way ANS could’ve slept on her tummy because of the tatas.

I disagreed, but let it go. Why didn’t the paramedics or Perper note the lividity, if that’s what it was?


305 posted on 04/07/2007 10:08:17 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: Rte66

You had me do my own sleuthing never gave me a clue but people will not be paid with this.


306 posted on 04/07/2007 10:10:26 PM PDT by fatima (Shut up Murtha)
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To: Pepper777

I think you’re right. I’ve looked for it, but can’t find it.


307 posted on 04/07/2007 10:11:45 PM PDT by windchime (I consider the left one of the fronts on the WOT(everything not sourced should be regarded as IMO))
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To: Abbalybisabba

“There is intravenous line placement at the right anterior neck with hemorrhage into the anterior strap muscles of the neck.

One recent needle puncture mark is in the right antecubital fossa and two recent needle puncture marks are at the anterior left elbow with surrounding ecchymoses.

There is one recent needle puncture into the medial one-third of the left anterior forearm with surrounding ecchymosis.

A recent needle puncture mark is at the left anterior wrist with surrounding reddish ecchymosis, 1 inch in diameter.

http://www.broward.org/medical/060223autopsy_report.pdf


Would all of these have come from resuscitation attempts?”

I think these findings probably came from resuscitation attempts. Particularly if they were having difficulty getting any one line to run properly, there would have been multiple lines attempted.

Actually a port would have had less bruising or none if it had been in place while ANS was alive. There would have been little liquifaction, or extravisation of blood (as there was with these punctures in the immediate post mortem period) because the circulation/healing mechanisms were competent while she was alive. If the port had not been placed correctly while she was alive, THEN it would have been surrounded by swelling or bruising but then the port would have clotted off or been incompetent and useless.

I don’t believe a port existed at her death. IMO the morons were doing something else with the water they refer to — putting her feet into it, pouring it into her mouth. Remember almost nothing they did seemed to indicate good training or appropriate responses.


308 posted on 04/07/2007 10:13:46 PM PDT by nynjanais
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To: Luvlyness

He better wait 10 days to cash the check and clear it .Just to be safe IMO.Bong,Bong,bong.


309 posted on 04/07/2007 10:15:30 PM PDT by fatima (Shut up Murtha)
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To: Rte66
I was doing a Google search trying to find out how many of L. Lin Wood's cases he has won, and found this in his biography:

Libel and Defamation

Mr. Wood handles tort claims for libel, slander and defamation arising out of the publication or broadcast of false statements of fact damaging the reputations of individuals or businesses.

Consultation on Media Issues

Mr. Wood consults with attorneys, businesses and individuals on media issues, providing, among other things, legal and practical advice on how attorneys, businesses and individuals should deal with the media in high profile cases and in cases where a client is on trial in the court of public opinion.

I wonder in which of these two areas he is going to represent HKS, or is he going to do both? When there has been a settlement of some of Wood's cases, they are closed and you don't know how financially profitable they were for him and his client. It seems to me, HKS and his lawyers are running a bluff, trying to put fear into anyone who has a negative opinion of HSK and dares to say so. It shouldn't be too difficult to prove that HKS is responsible for the situation he now finds himself in, and I question if Ron Rale does not have a conflict of interest in being ANS attorney and he and HKS being executors of her estate. If I were involved in this situation, I would hire my own PI to look into the affairs of HKS, his sister, Ron Rale, KE, and a heap of other people. HKS and Ron Rale do not have a monopoly on good attorneys and PI's, and I hate for people like them to use these intimidating tactics against people exercising their First Amendment Rights. They are asking for someone to step up and 'fight fire with fire'. I hope someone does, and these jerks are indicted and disbarred.

310 posted on 04/07/2007 10:16:07 PM PDT by PeskyOne
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To: mommya

Not a chance!


311 posted on 04/07/2007 10:18:40 PM PDT by Abbalybisabba
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To: Rte66

I was just having a litte fun with it LOL

I agree with you!


312 posted on 04/07/2007 10:21:14 PM PDT by Luvlyness
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To: SweetCaroline

Thanks! Yes, my hydrocortisone cream has aloe in it and the gel I use when it’s more “on fire” than itchy, is mainly aloe-based.

I don’t use them much, so that when I need them, they really knock out the itch. The problem is, they don’t get rid of the dang rash itself.

I don’t use fabric softener and I only use “clear” detergent because of my bad perfume allergies, so it’s not from clothes, in my case. It’s just on the tops of my hands and fingers and sometimes around the wrist.

It *is* like shingles, but nowhere could I find that shingles localizes like that - and almost nowhere could I find info on hands, specifically, regarding shingles.

Good luck to you - we can keep comparing notes. My problem is that I’m very poor, no money, no doctor anymore, no car, no one to take me anywhere, on and on. Not a new situation anymore, but new to me these past 3 years out of 30 not like this.

HAPPY EASTER!


313 posted on 04/07/2007 10:21:32 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: Rte66

Well if HKS really just found her dead and turned her onto her stomach so that no one would see her face, that would account for her being on her tatas.

Also once she was flipped over onto her back and assuming she’d been deceased for a couple of hours by then, by the efforts, and manipulations of the tissues and the extravasation of blood to dependent posterior tissues, all that would shift the coloration so that who knows how she looked by the time Perper saw her. She had been flipped several times like a pancake and multiple CPR efforts tried. That certainly fuzzies up the possibility that he’d find a clear pattern of lividity as if she’d been left as she died for the entire 4 hrs or so until he examined her.


314 posted on 04/07/2007 10:22:10 PM PDT by nynjanais
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To: nynjanais
Could she have been on her side then? Brigitte’s story seems to say she was either on her side or back…Perper and crew wouldn’t know about the jaw because they never interviewed her and probably didn’t get into any details with Taz.

" Neven: When I looked at her I knew something was wrong instantly because there was no…..when people sleep the chest rises and falls and she was just lying there. And I thought, ‘that can’t be…there is something not right’. And I tried to……her jaw had dropped ….I tried to push it shut and….it, it wouldn’t.

Rita: In fact Dr. Wecht, that’s what I was going to ask you, and what everyone has told us, and Brigitte confirmed to us that she was found naked, sleeping with a sheet and sort of partially covering her face, the sheet was.

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Page 3 of the autopsy says "…during initial examination in the emergency room, there was no rigor and lividity was at a minimum and unfixed. Page 4 said there was an endotracheal tube present at the mouth at the time of the examination.

Brigitte mentioned her jaw had dropped, she tried to push it shut and it wouldn't. Isn't that a sign of rigor mortis? If there was a tube in her mouth when brought to the hospital they wouldn’t have seen rigor of the jaw?

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Rigor mortis - The term 'stiff' is often used to refer to a dead body as a result of the stiffness that occurs in body joints after death.

Small muscles, such as the jawbone, are usually affected first.

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315 posted on 04/07/2007 10:24:20 PM PDT by Abbalybisabba
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To: nynjanais

Medically speaking ... Just how close to time of death can a ME come? Assuming they did the proper tests?


316 posted on 04/07/2007 10:24:40 PM PDT by Luvlyness
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To: Luvlyness

OK! LOL - with Leroy and Howie teaming up, there’s no telling how outrageous it might get.

Things you never thought human beings would be capable of doing or saying to one another will be done and said and our mouths will hang open at the sheer gall of these scumbags.


317 posted on 04/07/2007 10:27:26 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: nynjanais

Thanks for the info...

True: “Remember almost nothing they did seemed to indicate good training or appropriate responses.”


318 posted on 04/07/2007 10:27:52 PM PDT by Abbalybisabba
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To: Abbalybisabba

Didn’t Taz say when she was on the computer that Anna had her back to her? That would mean she was on her side? Someone correct me if that is wrong.


319 posted on 04/07/2007 10:28:14 PM PDT by Luvlyness
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To: Rte66
I don’t use them much, so that when I need them, they really knock out the itch. The problem is, they don’t get rid of the dang rash itself.

My rash has not gone away either, but it bothers me less now. I will pray things get better for you Rte66.

SC

320 posted on 04/07/2007 10:29:14 PM PDT by SweetCaroline (***Your own healing is the Greatest Message of Hope to others!***)
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