Anna Nicole Smith, The Investigation #3

[mom4kittys]

Thread Number 3

[sodpoodle]

Oh good Rte has arrived!

Hope your equipment is holding up and you are hanging in there;)

Have to leave - I’ll read your posts later - they better be good.

sod

[nature]

Figures for ANS listed are actual autopsy figures in Perper’s report, compared to the organ weights in the interactive autopsy tutorial.

Her days of drugs and booze were showing or he missed, hid a disease.

For some idea consider

Marilyn Monroe’s liver was 1890

http://medind.nic.in/jal/t04/i2/jalt04i2p55.pdf.
Here there were NO females livers > 2000

Ted Binion

Height: 71 inches
Weight: 157 pounds
Heart: 352 grams
Lungs: 1412 grams
Liver: 1539 grams
Spleen: 198 grams
Kidneys: 395 grams
Brain: 1410 grams

Brain
ANS-1300 vs interactive 1325 Normal brain?

Liver
ANS-2550 vs interactive 1440 :O Enlarged liver?
Definitely her excessive drug abuse and alcoholism shows.
Perper of course contributes none of his typical senseless comments and negligently fails to acknowledge, identify or comment on this grossly enlarged liver in his autopsy report! He fails to include any tests or results of this grossly enlarged liver also. A brief mention of blunted edges, that’s it.
He had the nerve to say later on LKL,
PERPER: Well, she had a somewhat enlarged liver, but there was no evidence, grossly, of any significant natural disease.

Kidneys
ANS- 350 vs 142 Non-functioning kidneys?

Lungs
ANS- 1050 vs 950 Fluid on lungs?

Heart
ANS - 305 vs 270 Enlarged heart?

According to Perper, was healthy.
And the findings were basically very minor findings in the heart ...
Her heart was quite healthy, except for some, as I said, minor findings, which will have to be examined microscopically.

Tests are not back, Poison not checked but Perper has already determined!!!

Perper: So, basically, there are three — three possibilities, or three options of diagnosis in this case. Either the death was due solely to natural causes — and, in fact, she was sick for three days, so this is a reasonable assumption — or it was due to some kind of medication or drugs, or to a combination of natural disease or medication.

RULES OUT FOUL PLAY.
He says he was ABLE TO RULE OUT FOUL PLAY because of findings. Then admits he doesn’t even have all the results! WTH~!

Perper: And, in this time, we really cannot make up this determination, because we lack the results of the test. Eventually, we will be able to choose the proper one.

KING: And, finally, have you ruled out foul play?

PERPER: Well, as I said, we were able to rule out foul play as a result of physical violence.

KING: Right, but — but by poisoning?

PERPER: We did not yet — we did not — yes — we did not rule out yet foul play in terms of chemical violence...

KING: Right.

PERPER: ... because we don’t have the tests, and we lack the proper review of the record and the investigation, which might reveal something in this regard.

HUH? This experienced scientist, Medically Licensed nut can’t find poison without reviewing records???? Lacked ‘review’ of the investigation but claimed he had full access?

Grrrrrrr
How can anyone not see this BS? How in the world does he get away with his?

[Sacajaweau]

Brigitte could have only heard one voice...Unless Moe was on speaker and he was not because she had a head phone on IIRC. If she saw that Taz was talking on the phone, why would she go in as I think you or I would consider it a breach of privacy.

There's something all wrong with these phone calls and why did Brigitte and Capt Gibson take off instead of giving some kind of report to the police or at least stick around to "comfort" Howard? Did Howard tell them to get outa dodge?....and don't talk to anyone??

[Sacajaweau]

I’d like to know the time of her calls from Ca the night before Anna died and DEFINITELY the time of the phone call on the day she died.

[nature]

Poor Rte.. If you have a monitor you have a video card or you wouldn’t see us at all. IIRC you are also in XP, the OS requires a video card.

How’s the PC fixing going Rte? Did you try calling the VOTech instructor’s in your area yet? Never met one that won’t help out somehow. Geek’s at heart they can barely resist lol.

ET one are the videos I linked. The video the day of the party both blab. In one part you can hear Larry asked, are you wired (meaning for sound) as ANS hangs on him. He clams up and says you are. He sure doesn’t seem to want to be himself when it will be captured.

[nature]

Problem for me is I don’t believe any of them. Including Bridgette who flew the coupe and hasn’t been seen since.
Story sounds too rehearsed to me.

I don’t doubt that Bridgette was bold. Agree with you on that. In Taz’s way of explaining all her versions, she gets a slight edge, irritation when talking about Bridgette that I find very noticeable. She does it again in her reenactment video too but stronger, more noticeable when saying ‘that is why I don’t see what all the hoopla is’ about not calling 911.

That edge in her voice for ‘all the hoopla’ shows she is a nitwit that still refuses to take any responsibility. She needs her license pulled before she kills someone!

[nature]

Usually they are included with XP also.
The new wave of course is there are embedded right on the sites.

With dial up, it depends on the file size and what they have their modem and port settings set at. They might be slow but should still be able to view them. Problem is.. Most PC’s even to this day, still ship with the communications port set at the lowerly OLD outdated 9600 baud rate when the modems are shipping 56K. Unbelievable but true. This isn’t a problem for cable / dsl but it is for dial-up.

It is easy to go into the device manager settings and change it. There is a little drop down menu and you bump that setting up to 115,200. That opens up the port to fly as fast as possible with the 56K modem.

[Rte66]

Then I guess I can’t operate media players because I don’t have a sound card, which I know for sure. I thought it was because I don’t have a video card.

I had one in my other puter, so that’s why I said that. I know I had one - I changed it out and it didn’t have anything to do with the monitor, just with the media player.

Sorry if I used the wrong terminology. I can’t play videos on this puter, like I could on my other ones.

[Rte66]

No, I always watched videos before on my other puters, on the same dial-up. There is just something disabled on this machine because it was someone’s work puter and couldn’t have sound or video. Media players don’t work on it.

[Rte66]

Well, blast it. I was doing OK until I clicked on that Gunderson story link back a ways. It re-deposited all 100+ cookies I had just painstakingly hand-deleted after a flurry of popups and unders.

I’m almost in tears, just because I wanted to post ONE thing. This monster has shut down the whole browser 4 times and I have to keep 3 windows open just to keep track of this one thread. Now, I’ll try one more time.

[nature]

Exactly. Someone needs to take it right back to the beginning.

Forget the tales of the scripted
Forget the PinkPerper’s bungled investigation
No more Dick Tracy watch time lines.

Dig up Bridgette from her grave of silence.
Clock those hotel videos and give us exactly what time the poisoned pen left.
How many circles did hks run in that lobby before his azz flew out the door?

[Rte66]

I wanted to comment on the purple splotches on Anna’s body.

Unfortunately, I can’t search right now to find exactly where each of the players said they saw them. Brigitte said it one way; Tas said it differently.

Someone said neck/throat and someone said chest.

At the time, I didn’t believe it was livor mortis, because we had already heard Perper say she died very shortly before her arrival at the hospital.

I thought it was just some damaged tissue from some “procedure” she’d had in the past. Collagen, botox, whatever. I also thought it was her “chin.”

Anyway, now I do believe it was lividity, BUT the important thing is that it was non-fixed. It was still blanching, most likely. IOW, if you pressed it with a finger, it would go white.

I believe it would have developed as she lay either face down or face sideways - I don’t know if it was all on one side of her neck/throat/chin/chest, or not - or how she was positioned under the covers.

When Brigitte first looked at her, she could see *something* about her face looking wrong, so I’m guessing she was halfway face down, i.e., sideways.

So, I think at that point, it was beginning livor mortis, but was non-fixed, meaning still changeable.

So, what happened was, when Brigitte and Tas started “working” on her, they turned her face up; then when Moe got there and put her on the floor, she was face up. In that period of time, the livor would have “moved” and the blood would have pooled somewhere else, at the “new” lowest point of gravity.

This is why bodies should never be moved before authorities are contacted, in order to ascertain the truth of the death. They moved her and disturbed the crime scene. So, IMO, that’s why there were no more purple splotches on that area of her body to report by the time the autopsy was done.

Where was HKS’s camera when they needed it?

There!

[sodpoodle]

“””Clock those hotel videos and give us exactly what time the poisoned pen left. How many circles did hks run in that lobby before his azz flew out the door?”””

If ANS had died from a gunshot wound - the HardRock would have been in LOCKDOWN for 24 hours. That’s the diabolical beauty of the drug death....no-one gives a damn.

damn!

[nature]

gosh darnit Rte.
I feel bad for you. Computers can be so frustrating when not cooperating smooth and you don’t know how to fix it yourself. I hope you try the Votech thing. If you want help I would be honored to do what I can. If I had the VoTech name in your area, I could help make the calls / leg work and explaining to track down help. It sounds like you have everything you need to make a nice set up.

[Rte66]

Oh, Lord, I’m so flustered over this popup crap, I didn’t mean “where was Howie’s camera?” “There!”

My “There!” was my ending to *finally* getting to produce my post! Sorry it came out wrong.

There!

Now I’m done for a while.

[Sacajaweau]

I'm just tossing around the whole scene and don't mean to be argumentative. I guess my first problem is why did Moe call in the first place since he had just left. What MADE him call? I could see him calling when he was done moving and saying "Do you need anything on my way back?"...and then asking about Anna.

Wonder why didn't she go with Moe to the hospital? As far as I know, she had only met Anna twice so I don't know how she could be close enough to Howard to carry on a conversation. Just pondering.

[nature]

Oh, sorry I should have included

A missing sound card wouldn’t affect if you could play a video, you just couldn’t hear any sound asscoiated with them but could still ‘watch’ them.

Without knowing exactly what happens when you try to play them and what your system config, sw etc. it could be configuration problems, browser settings, firewalls settings, file assocoiations etc. several things.

[nature]

Rte, please please try this! Change your hosts file to block ads. It is not harmful, I have it on mine running fine. It kills ads from running.

I sent this to you in email but it was when you were having major problems so it might have been lost in the mess.

http://everythingisnt.com/hosts.html
use this place for being the easiest

You can read up on it here
http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm