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Anna Nicole Smith, The Investigation #3

Posted on 04/07/2007 3:14:35 PM PDT by mom4kittys

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Date: April 09, 2007

Despite media reports that Anna Nicole Smith’s daughter, Dannielynn, may stand to inherit a portion of the late J. Howard Marshall’s estate, Professor Horace Cooper argues that casting aside the Texas probate court’s earlier decision that Marshall’s son was his legal heir is unlikely.

Smith’s fight to win a portion of Marshall’s estate made its way to the United States Supreme Court, which ruled late last year that a decision by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals was overly broad and sent the case back to the 9th Circuit on remand.

The most compelling question for the 9th Circuit will be a determination of which of the courts involved issued a final judgment first, says Cooper.

She’s no million dollar baby: After the courts rule, Anna Nicole Smith’s daughter probably won’t get the big estate, Legal Times, April 9, 2007. By Horace Cooper.

Excerpt:
“When it originally invoked the ‘probate exception,’ the 9th Circuit panel didn’t rule on the merits of either the federal bankruptcy court or the federal district court decisions. With the Supreme Court’s narrow opinion explaining that none of the Supreme Court’s earlier cases endorsed the notion that federal courts couldn’t independently weigh in on probate matters, the9th Circuit now will have to deal with the merits.

“In that context, the most compelling question for the 9th Circuit will be a determination of which court — the federal bankruptcy or district court or the Texas probate court — issued a final judgment first. Chronologically the Texas probate case started first, but the federal bankruptcy court issued its verdict first. The 9th Circuit panel reviewing the case will have to determine which decision counts as the first ‘final judgment.’

“There are two issues here. First, the federal district court vacated the ruling of the bankruptcy court and reviewed the matter de novo. It did so after the Texas probate trial had concluded. If this decision about vacating the bankruptcy ruling is upheld, it would mean that the bankruptcy ruling has no effect for purposes of res judicata — that is, neither the bankruptcy decision nor the federal district court’s ruling were final judgments for this purpose.

“Second, even if the federal bankruptcy court’s ruling was final and determined to have occurred first, there are serious questions, relevant to judicial economy and the principles behind res judicata, about the evidentiary record used by the federal district court.

“A review of the record indicates that whereas the Texas probate trial took nearly six months to sort through all of the legal and evidentiary issues before reaching a conclusion, the federal district court was able to do so in a few days. How? Primarily by reviewing many of the depositions from the concluded Texas probate trial and also by disallowing most of the witnesses that Pierce Marshall sought to call.

“Such an approach has the advantage of expediting matters, but it severely constrains the ability of the court to weigh all evidence necessary. Depositions are useful, but they are not an equal alternative to witnesses testifying subject to cross-examination. As a result, there are serious questions about the sufficiency of the record that the district court relied upon. And such an outcome is contrary to the benefits of res judicata — which is to allow subsequent courts the ability to rely on the findings of fact of earlier courts.

“Additionally, judicial economy would dictate that the Texas probate court (as a specialty court) should be given greater deference and weight in making these determinations. In this case, the probate court took nearly six months to reach a determination. Casting aside its work will not be done lightly.

“Together, judicial economy and res judicata militate against the 9th Circuit directing a brand new trial to determine the validity of the Marshall will or estate plan. Accordingly, no one should be surprised when, at the end of all the proceedings, it is the original Texas trial verdict that determines the disposition of the Marshall estate. When that occurs (as it almost certainly will), Marshall’s money will go to his son — not to Smith’s estate, her child Dannielynn, or Dannielynn’s father (whoever that may be).”

http://www.law.gmu.edu/faculty/story.php?id=733


1,301 posted on 04/10/2007 12:11:10 AM PDT by SUN68RAY
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To: All

To read the first twelve pages of the book “Train Wreck” scroll to the bottom of this article.

http://www.showbuzz.cbsnews.com/stor...n2663734.shtml

Hard to read but very interesting.


1,302 posted on 04/10/2007 12:38:37 AM PDT by bria
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To: bria

Okay I’ll try again...

http://www.showbuzz.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/04/09/people_late_great/main2663734.shtml


1,303 posted on 04/10/2007 12:42:34 AM PDT by bria
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To: Irish Eyes

Mark


1,304 posted on 04/10/2007 12:59:35 AM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: kcw2007
You're welcome for the information and I have to agree, it's a long-shot with the pitbull-antics.

If you look back in my posts, you'll see I'm pretty skeptical about the whole thing, especially the "blogger" focus. It gave me quite a chuckle.

That said, I did start to think that perhaps I was giving the wrong impression with that post, and almost the green light to proceed, full steam ahead. Since that was not my intention, I decided maybe it was better to put all the facts out there and let people be well-informed for their trouble.

On one side, I saw not enough caution being taken and on another side an over-flow of caution to the point where people felt their Constitutional right to speak was being silenced. I believe that was caused by a very vague "Don't do it!" threat announced by Lin Wood, with absolutely no clear explanation of the law to his layman audience, which he did directly address (i.e., bloggers).

While Mr. Wood may feel no legal or personal obligation to explain, I feel better about not leaving people in the dark and confused. That's why I went out and tried to find the best explanation on the net that a lawyer who practices in that field, can give.

I agree with your point in that I certainly don't think Free Republic is anywhere close to the sites I have seen. I exampled one but there are others; notably IsHowardKSternAMurderer. Remember that one? I even took time out to write to her and cautioned her to be careful, even with her "satirical" disclaimers. The email was rejected and bounced back to me for being too long. hahaha! Oh well, I did try. The person was definitely going in the wrong direction and I could see that. She also closed down the site (as some of you may know?) and I'm pretty sure why. She figured it out on her own. What unnerves me is that she STILL left herself open by now trying to sell the name. Is there anyone left that doesn't think about money besides the "bloggers"? Then again, even some of those participants are being accused of being paid!

See where this is going? You know, it's really a shame that the whole case was so hyped out, delayed and publicized the way it was. It actually invited the speculation it received. The people involved actually created the circus-like "entertainment". In fact, I think they were enjoying it a bit too much. For others, it was about laying the groundwork for legal sparring later on. And last but certainly not least, those with the interest of fame, ratings and money.

If anyone does wind up witnessing a defamation lawsuit, I hope a precedent will be set by a Judge who has the nerve to put the blame directly back on those who perpetuated this and admonish them accordingly. This is not the way our legal system should be exploited after the posturing, semantics and rhetoric that has been fed to the public; especially when you consider the carefully packaged morsels they dangled from overhead to ensure everyone stayed-tuned.

They created a monster. And now they want to contain it. I believe we do have a responsibilty to be informed of the law. But I also agree, they should be held to the higher standard, because they already knew the consequences and spun it out of control regardless.

Thanks for your thoughts on this issue and taking the time to read mine. If you are mad, you have every right to be. Here is a case that preyed on every human heartstring it could pluck, direct from the very people it involved. And now some of the are calling foul? They should start thinking about instituting better laws here. When a person can promulgate themselves before a camera, be paid for it as well, in the face of human tragedy no less, then seek to sue when someone throws the fruit, it's unconscionable. Morals and values, indeed. I wonder if half of them remember what those are.

Ok, I'm off my rant but I'm getting really burned up with the fiasco I'm witnessing that's supposed to be our democracy - our legal system - and our freedom that so many lives have paid for. This is an utter disgrace.

As usual, it's up to Joe Q. Citizen to get a grip.
1,305 posted on 04/10/2007 12:59:37 AM PDT by Bronwynn
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To: SUN68RAY

Personally, after Larry is determined to be the biological father and gets custody, I would love to hear that the Marshall family AGREED to set up a trust for Dannielynn in an UNDISCLOSED AMOUNT! That would be the BEST outcome in my opinion. Because Dannielynn would be with her REAL Dad, and hopefully, he would allow her to see and know her Grandmother, and also, she would be ‘set for life’ (which IMO means that her college tuition would be paid for, and maybe she would have a ‘few’ extra dollars). Of course, this is only my opinion of how the Marshall Estate should ‘play out’. I think the Marshall Family should at the very least be willing to pay for DL’s schooling.

As for her mother’s (ANS) estate, it will be interesting (and perhaps sad) to see how that plays out. I hope someone is looking out for Dannielynn of course, but I also wonder who, if anyone, cares about Anna’s legacy? I can only hope that Larry gets custody of Dannielynn and has the legal ability to do something similar to what Priscilla Pressley did for Lisa Marie.


1,306 posted on 04/10/2007 1:07:25 AM PDT by kcw2007
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To: Arizona Carolyn
Since when can you sue witnesses or jurors? It just isn’t computing. Ir doesn't computer because you're right, they can't.
1,307 posted on 04/10/2007 1:09:41 AM PDT by Bronwynn
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To: stlnative

So very sorry to hear about your loss!

This must be a very difficult time for you and your sister’s family...I’ll be thinking of you all!

Regards,
Kimberly


1,308 posted on 04/10/2007 1:10:41 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (DUNCAN HUNTER '08.....lframerica.com.....MARCH TO TAKE BACK AMERICA)
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To: nynjanais

It certainly will be interesting to hear if and when KE ‘lawyers up’ and with whom. Would she have need of a lawyer to deal with the Medical Board, or, would she hire someone because she is expecting, in addition to the medical board, having criminal charges that need defending?


1,309 posted on 04/10/2007 1:15:05 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (DUNCAN HUNTER '08.....lframerica.com.....MARCH TO TAKE BACK AMERICA)
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To: SUN68RAY
Excellent article, Sunray! Thanks for posting it!

I've always agreed with this opinion and could never understand why the media was hyping Dannielynn as the "potential multi-million-dollar baby".

I don't think it's ever going to come to pass either from all I've ever read. I think that lawyer is spot-on.
1,310 posted on 04/10/2007 1:16:32 AM PDT by Bronwynn
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To: Fred

I see more of a resemblence in the eyes with the Prince, who I personally think is very handsome. I still think LB is tht father...but hey, you never know...I’ve even noticed a resemblence with Thompson...(I know a woman who got pregnant with twins, years after her husband’s vasectomy!)


1,311 posted on 04/10/2007 1:20:20 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (DUNCAN HUNTER '08.....lframerica.com.....MARCH TO TAKE BACK AMERICA)
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To: kcw2007

“Hopefully, there is some recourse for Larry as far as this is concerned, and he will not have to worry about Debra Opri’s outrageous bill...since he should have never had to go to the lengths he had to go to just to be a part of his daughter’s life!!”

I must have missed something again...I was under the impression that the bill from Opri had been determined to be bogus?


1,312 posted on 04/10/2007 1:23:57 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (DUNCAN HUNTER '08.....lframerica.com.....MARCH TO TAKE BACK AMERICA)
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Just an FYI that we could get flooded with visitors from CTV today...as it seems that the moderator, Coldwater, has chosen to childishly give the members there one of her ‘time outs’ and locked the ANS board on this very important day. Seems she rather enjoys weilding her power.


1,313 posted on 04/10/2007 1:34:43 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (DUNCAN HUNTER '08.....lframerica.com.....MARCH TO TAKE BACK AMERICA)
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To: Kimberly GG

How Pathetic! Do you happen to know any of her screen names? Besides Coldwater, that is? I’m sure they will be out in full force tomorrow!!


1,314 posted on 04/10/2007 1:48:19 AM PDT by kcw2007
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To: kcw2007

“How Pathetic! Do you happen to know any of her screen names? Besides Coldwater, that is? I’m sure they will be out in full force tomorrow!!”

Ha! I didn’t know she had any of her own screen names, besides Coldwater, but I wouldn’t put it past her, and she best not be coming here! I haven’t watched the board close enough to know what HER position is on this case, but I know from experience she is very biased and will ban those strongly who disagree with her. Freepers have never been welcomed there...she is extremely biased and just like CTV, she stands firmly with the extreme left on that site.


1,315 posted on 04/10/2007 1:55:38 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (DUNCAN HUNTER '08.....lframerica.com.....MARCH TO TAKE BACK AMERICA)
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To: Kimberly GG

ICE BATH

I don’t know who’s collecting this info and if you have it already, or not:

“Stern had told his sister that Smith was running a fever of 105 degrees shortly before her death on Thursday, and that a nurse was “icing her down” earlier THAT DAY at the Seminole Hard Rock Hotel and Casino in Hollywood, Fla.”


1,316 posted on 04/10/2007 2:03:02 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (DUNCAN HUNTER '08.....lframerica.com.....MARCH TO TAKE BACK AMERICA)
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To: Kimberly GG

“When King asked if the couple had plans to marry, Stern said, “I’ve loved her for quite some time and HOPEFULLY the feeling’s mutual.”

good grief...they plan to marry and HOPEFULLY the feeling is mutual? Who does this guy think he’s fooling?

http://www.hollywood.com/news/Smith_and_Stern_Plan_to_Marry/3558546


1,317 posted on 04/10/2007 2:09:19 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (DUNCAN HUNTER '08.....lframerica.com.....MARCH TO TAKE BACK AMERICA)
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To: Kimberly GG; blueplum

If you believe all their versions of events, Anna was in the tub constantly getting her ice baths. They must of used all the ice in the hotel ice machines.

Did any of these so-called “medical” people realize that you are NOT suppose to give an ice bath to lower a temp. It causes the temp too lower to much and too rapidly. Tepid water is best.

I guess none of this bothers Perper.

in followup to my last post:
1) icebath prior to flight - eroshevich (ET)
2) icebath monday nite - Moe,et al (ET; cnn; greta; grace)
3) icebath tuesday = Mark Steines (cnn; [greta?])
4) icebath wednesday = HKS (Etonline)
5?) icebath thursday am - Bonnie Sterns (fox news) (questionable?)

“... Mark Steines, the last person to interview her, told CNN that Smith had to be placed in an ice bath Tuesday after her fever reached 105 degrees.” [steines says she was crumpled in empty tub wed]


1,318 posted on 04/10/2007 3:32:27 AM PDT by clouda
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To: mommya
Say it's 2006. Think I'll write my diary for 1994!!!! I have all the articles from the media. Yeh, I remember pretty much what happened that year. There was this one annoying guy named Pierce.

Uh, just letting you know that it's possible they were written well after the fact. They're very brief and really don't say much....but they are a moneymaker. Watch out for ILLUSIONS.

1,319 posted on 04/10/2007 3:41:57 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Bronwynn

The ANS will , will be ruled invalid. Stern and his bunch can’t even find the original document.

That alone will cause it to be invalid. Not counting the hugh flaws within it.


1,320 posted on 04/10/2007 3:53:37 AM PDT by tennmountainman
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