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Posted on 04/07/2007 3:14:35 PM PDT by mom4kittys
Thread Number 3
What he didn't say: She's worth a few mil and all I have to do is keep playing the game. Hey, she pays the bills. I have to live you know....and so does my friend Larry.
What I’m wondering is, since Larry let HKS drive her around in L.A., does LB also let KE take her over to her house alone, or did HKS get to take her to his parents’ house?
They have Anna impersonators coming up to the front door to have their pictures taken, and who knows what other crazies doing likewise - so there has to be good security and a bodyguard.
I just didn’t get the feeling that they were around during any of this. Do they get the weekends off? Or, like ANS with *her* last bodyguard, do they live in a different country, lol?
I know someone will say that the security is *so good* you don’t even know they’re there. I hope that’s right. I hope Dannielynn is guarded by noseeums, lol.
It now seems like "we'll all meet back in Ca" was always the plan and everything that was fed to the press by Larry was a crock.
Whatever hold Howard has on Larry....Well, it's big!! I'm now inclined to believe that Larry was just as Virgie said: "A sperm donor".
The statement that Howard made regarding "According to my calendar, I'm the father", still bothers me. KE might know Anna's menstrual calendar, but Howard??? Virgie had it right and Howard and Larry know it.
Anna (convinced by KE) married Howard to provide another PHONEY barrier....just in case Anna decided to "even think" again about marrying Larry. They did talk about a ring.
A lot of my curiosity, currently, is in the ownership of the house itself - who actually owns it?
If Hot Smoochie Lips, Inc., owns it and Hot Smoochie Lips is now defunct wrt prior ANS dealings, but is going forward as now owned by Adrian Skane, where does that leave the home?
Did someone pay the back property taxes on the home? Did someone pay the back franchise taxes on the corporation? Or did everyone just ignore all that and sell stuff without any clear titles? What exactly does Skane own?
What stock was issued in Hot Smoochie Lips over its course of doing business and what assets does it now own or how much money did it have in its coffers, cashwise? What percentage of it did ANS own and what percentage did HKS own, if any?
I don’t trust people who are saying that HKS now owns the Studio City house, due to a right of survivorship clause in the Hot Smoochie Lips Articles of Incorporation. That sounds like an equal pertnership or an LP of some kind, which it’s not. I’ve seen people elsewhere post that ET paid the back property taxes on the house - I’ve never seen anything to actually indicate that at all.
I think someone took something literally that was said tongue-in-cheek - or they meant that some of the money paid to ANS for ET interviews was used to pay the back taxes. I’ve never seen that they were actually paid, myself - but haven’t looked in a while.
It’s important to know what it means if we see Hot Smoochie Lips as the owner of something or holder of a right to an image ... after probate, will Dannielynn own it outright, 100%? Or not at all? Will Dannielynn own 50% and Howie own 50%? Or will Adrian Skane own a portion, HKS a portion and Dannielynn a portion? Or did Skane buy everything?
I hope we can at least find that out in the coming months when the will is actually probated.
yep, that’s “pert” near a “partnership” there
..”””just in case Anna decided to “even think” again about marrying Larry”””
WOW! I think you’ve got it. Anna was looking forward to a future with a baby and maybe a husband. If the ‘conspiracy’ theory to chuck Daniel and Anna overboard for a replacement-heir is true...Anna was kept alive only long enough to give birth....was Larry involved in the planning - or too stupid or craven to care?
Somewhere, somehow, Daniel got a whiff of the danger she was in - he was worried about everyone in her circle. He must have trusted Larry at first, but Daniel did not reach out to Larry when Anna fled to the Bahamas....why not?
I am beginning to believe that Howard presented the “what-ifs” to a bunch of attorney pals who have been sitting around divvying up Marshall’s millions. They are still on track to push forward. Watch for a full court press against Elaine Marshall after Daniel’s inquest.
This tinfoil hat is attracting wildlife - better get that cup of coffee and flyswatter;) LOL
Disgusted mark
Anna had never said it was her and Howard's love child nor was it even implied at the time of the announcement nor was there any evidence of Anna/Howard love in any of their pictures...in fact, just the opposite.
Shortly after the WIN in Supreme Court was the rush to the Bahamas, the conspiracy of residency, the birth and the death of Daniel.
Then there's Larry in the Kapoor photo and at the gay parade so he knew ABSOLUTELY who he was.
I'm now inclined to believe that besides hiding assets, the move to the Bahamas was THE BARRIER to Larry marrying Anna and the only chance Howard would have to claim Dannie Lynn via the birth certificate.
Remember the agreement that Larry signed (under duress so he says) which was shown to him in Seidlin's court?? I now believe that Larry agreed never to go to the Bahamas and perhaps further, never make a claim to the baby. In other words, he was "paid" for his services", i.e., "sperm donor" and should go away.
Man, it sure is confusing but I now believe that Larry's entire testimony in Seidlin's court was directed by Howard and when Opri stood up and asked Howard: "Are you the biological father"...she was shot down "because Howard didn't want to get into that...at that time. Howard always knew that Larry was the father.
Larry didn't know that either Danny or Anna would die....but he was now caught in a trap "set by Howard". Any "deal" was before the deaths. We all got scammed. Larry was a "sperm donor"...bought and paid for. He got greedy. If Larry had not protested, Howard would still be listed as the father of a very wealthy little girl....not from known assets but showing that little face is like shaking the money tree. I'll bet that Howard is involved in all Larry/Dannie Lynn media contracts...one way or another. Don't forget, Howard has tons of pictures....and as the photographer, they are his!!
And since when does an illegitimate child take the name of the father...after the mother has died?? That child's last name should be Marshall.
Oh, Larry...he does have to do what Howard says. He got setup royally. And once you lie...Well...keep piling it on. Most of it has to be lies to conform with the Big Lie.
Boy...what a wild mind this morning!!
Howard didn't announce that he was the father until AFTER Daniel was dead!!!!!!! At that point, Anna would agree to anything. She didn't care. It didn't matter.
“”””Remember the agreement that Larry signed (under duress so he says) which was shown to him in Seidlin’s court?? “””
I’m embarrassed to admit that I do not remember that agreement or its content. Please enlighten. Thanks Saca.
But the ‘relationship’ between ANS & LB now makes sense - Larry was the reluctant lover - and ANS was becoming ‘pushy’ on getting married, which LB couldn’t handle without HK$’ interference. I always wondered what kind of MANLY Man would allow the woman, pregnant with his child, to be controlled by a leech/lackey/lawyer?
*****I can see clearly now, the rain is gone,
I can see all obstacles in my way
Gone are the dark clouds that had me blind
Unfortunately, It’s NOT gonna be a bright (bright), bright (bright) Sun-Shiny day.*****
I dont’ think I can make it now, the pain is not gone
and All of the bad feelings have not disappeared
Hey Saca - we are stepping all over each other - and there are just the 2 of us. LOL
Boy - I think you have pulled the whole scheme into the light! Wonder when LB realized what a “Royal Flush” he was holding and when did he hire Debra Opri? It was before Daniel died......but was that just a smoke-screen to get more money from Howard?
At some point, Opri figured out what the deal had been from the gitgo and confronted LB & HK$. That must have been the “something unethical” she could not accept.
JMHO
Then the b**** attorney brought him a piece of paper and asked; "Did you sign this?"....Yes, he said...under duress. At the very least, it said he would stay away from Anna. Because it only came to light AFTER HER DEATH, it's possible (and even likely) that Anna didn't even know that Larry signed this "confidential agreement" with Howard. It was not submitted as "evidence" as in a regular trial and the judge never read it so I'm sure it's gone to "shredder heaven" by now.
So it appears that the Anna/Larry feud and flight to the Bahamas was manipulated in accordance with LB/HK$’ plan; that LB was just to be the impregnator/lover and get out of the picture.
Unfortunately for the plan, Anna was envisioning a possible “normal” family unit as LB’s wife and mother of his ‘love child’!!!
I came to believe that her ‘drug problem’ was created and enforced by KE and HK$ - to prevent any moments of clarity - when she might have turned to Daniel and perhaps her mother. Another reason for the isolation from Daniel and the anti-Virgie brain washing.
Looks like LB rocked the boat when he got greedy - then all hell broke loose.
Poor Anna, she was living in a hellhole of liars and manipulators who used, abused and caused hers & Daniel’s deaths.
sac,
the agreement has been on-line for a long time now.
http://www.etonline.com/gfx/lbirkhead_et.pdf
Note hks never held him to it or took this to a court.
And of course LB never held hks to the fraud case.
I don’t see LB as being ‘duped’ by hks. I see LB as being aware and willing, a full partner in the plan. It IS possible the plan did not include LB raising the baby and that got out of hand. And as many have observed, he does not adapt to even holding her like a father. Note, hks did. LB had no choice to dump OD, she was messing up the plan being too good at her job. She was as he said “a loose canon”. She was playing it as if he really WANTED the baby, hks made sure to set that up on his end also. LB did not want the baby. I don’t think that was in the plan. I think they may have really banked on the Baha’s law and the BC, and they underestimated OD actually getting that test accomplished in the Baha’s. Therefore the deep anger with OD. It is more than just money if you ask me. She almost ruined their plan. The momentum took over and they had no choice but to modify the plan.
HKS without a doubt was the master mind, but Larry’s open laughter (he can hardly contain it)suggests to me a ‘we did it, got away with it’ smirk. He doesn’t have the cleverness or nerves of steel that hks has. Buddying up for the baby’s sake easily sold to media. LB didn’t bargain for a baby, can’t handle the baby alone and hks needed to reenter. hks has always mastered the emotional scam over the years. He is very clever in that much, I give him that. This was no different. Larry has good reason to think ‘we made it’and laugh in our face. There is not one media source left to question this ‘for the baby’ partnership.
I think one prediction they under estimated was Anna’s reaction to Daniel’s death. As LB himself has said, once you were out, you were out, no going back to Anna’s circle. If statements of Anna beginning to question hks, even statements of her blaming him, kicking hks out.. the writing was on the wall. It was only a matter of time before hks lost all control of her and was nothing more than an ex just like Larry. They had to move. Was LB playing the make up game too well with Anna? Was Anna weakening as he said and suggesting marriage? Or telling hks she was weakening? Did LB and HKS have to turn this around to prevent an unplanned reconciliation / expected marriage to LB ruining the plan?
What started me on LB was in on it from the beginning: Back to his testimony - he got an apt in Burbank after 2004 when they became an item, but all searches list him already in Burbank as early as May 2003. I think it is an important piece in this. LB’s story has always been he met Howard (Anna) at the derby in 2003. The derby is in May. Too coincidental! Why lie about when he moved there unless from guilt? One of his tales, sparks flew at the Derby in 2004 when she got off the elevator. Except, he told another tale where he fell in love in Sept 2004 accompanying her to a kids camp. Is it possible.. first the plan, then the apt 2003, anna didn’t respond as wished, add how to entice anna lessons from hks and then the trap 2004. After 12 yrs, hks couldn’t do it alone. He knew the Anna Eeww factor toward him. He needed someone, a donor and accomplice to create a ‘new’ cash cow.
The money was closer but with anna’s drug problem too far off. Anna was getting old, washed up, drugged out, a train wreck getting harder and harder to control to court for the money hks spent his life trying to get his hands on. So what do you do? Okay, she wants to kill herself with drugs lets just push this along before she ruins the door to the cash.
I will never accept that both Daniel and Anna suddenly died on foreign soil was an accident either. I think it was planned and not only by hks. He needed the LB battle to move ANS offshore. He needed a place for one death off American soil and another separate for the final death. Brilliant to make sure and separate the two countries. Enter, another foreign land (Indian) and Baha’s for DS. Bahas was the perfect chance. Probably the only chance. They knew ans would want DS there and they knew he would come. Any other way would never have worked. On american soil they wouldn’t have stood a chance with both deaths. If they both died in the Baha’s that would surely bring trouble too. Brilliant plan actually. Who would suspect anything with a druggie OD’ing?
Howard in the meantime was putting "all control" in his name...the properties, the boat, the 10 carat ring, the baby as father....and Anna's profession of love for Howard as father and husband ....and THE WILL...which i still believe was faxed BEFORE she died.
I never liked LB's looks but I was fooled by his acting like a nice guy until the day he was named the biological father. I thought his reaction was juvenile! I hope and pray some wealthy person will step forward and help Virgie hire a super PI, and they bust this scam HKS and LB have going to hell and back! I'm not financially wealthy and don't care to be except at times like this...now I wish I had unlimited funds to spend on an investigation into HKS, LB, KE, and even Ron Rale!
I really wish the three of you, plus nature, Lizarde, and a few others would get together via 'Private Mail' and compile a list of your findings and thoughts on this matter and send them to Virgie's lawyers. They probably haven't even considered some of the things you all have.
Once you lie to your attorney and expect them to do your bidding, you’ve set your own noose. Opri knows “something” and she put “some of it” into her documentation for the arbitration hearing.
Who stepped to the plate first originally....Virgie or Larry??
Post # 12416 was written to the three of you. I had copied my message while I checked something and it ‘blew away’ while I searched. When I started over, I pasted my message, but failed to add rte66 and sac’s names!
“”””I think one prediction they under estimated was Anna’s reaction to Daniel’s death.””””
Perhaps their comeuppance will be underestimating a mother’s love in two cases - Anna’s love for Daniel and Virgie’s love for Anna.
We can only hope - and pray for Virgie.
It’s rather eerie that our individual intuitions are coming to one conclusion.
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