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Not good, unless Perper is really on the ball and realizes KE might be Stern's partner in crime.
I'm beginning to think he is a media whore.
Thats how I took it as well Pepper777.
So imho, Dr Perp is just going by what he has heard or someone has documented it incorrectly.
LOL! I'm SO glad you pointed that out. I somehow missed it the first time through the posts.
HILARIOUS!
Mark
Barf makes me want to throw things at the tv.
I think the PI was probably just nervous. I saw him a couple of days ago on another show and he talked really well. He made perfect sense.
It was so eerie when he said Daniel told him he had a dream and saw his mom in her casket.
That contradicts what she said earlier today on CourtTV (iirc). There she said basically she's out of the loop on the various issues that don't involve her.
"It was so eerie when he said Daniel told him he had a dream and saw his mom in her casket."
Harding, the PI, didn't mention that in the interview I saw. He has added some comments since he was on Inside Edition.
I hope if, down the line, someone wants another opinion they don't get it from Wecht.
GRACE: Joining us right now is the expert in his field, Dr. Joshua Perper. He is a chief medical examiner in Broward County. He is a published author of "When to Call the Doctor." And he performed the autopsy on cover girl Anna Nicole Smith.
Dr. Perper, thank you for being with us.
DR. JOSHUA PERPER, BROWARD COUNTY MEDICAL EXAMINER: You`re very welcome.
GRACE: Dr. Perper, is there any truth to the allegations that she had so much methadone in her skin and Demerol, as well?
PERPER: As I said before, I`m not going to comment on any kind of type of findings, which would be toxicological or otherwise. And I believe that there`s a great deal of speculation which doesn`t have roots in fact.
GRACE: Dr. Perper, what is the difference between the pronounced time of death and the clinical time of death?
PERPER: The clinical time of death is when the person stops breathing and the heart stops. And the irreversible type of death is when resuscitation matters or attempts are unsuccessful. And forensic pathologists are able to make a determination based on postmortem findings what time occurred or lapsed since the death.
In this particular case, the death occurred within a very short time because the body was warm and, obviously, there were resuscitation attempts made which otherwise they wouldn`t have been made.
GRACE: Dr. Perper, you and I were talking on a previous night regarding the fact that she was inside her hotel room there at the casino under the covers in her bed where she had been sleeping. How much would the body temperature lower as she died under those circumstances? It`s not as if she were out in the elements.
PERPER: Well, again, this is information which I`m going to release later on. But as I said initially, the temperature was 105 degrees, and my understanding is that it was lower thereafter.
GRACE: Dr. Perper, is it true that methadone is retained in the skin?
PERPER: Methadone can be taken by mouth or it can be injected.
GRACE: OK.
PERPER: There are a variety of -- it can be taken by enema. So there are a variety of ways in which somebody can take methadone.
GRACE: So to you, David Caplan, what do you mean by Anna Nicole`s body tissue was overloaded with the opiate substance methadone?
CAPLAN: Well, our sources told us that the methadone was still sort of in her body tissue after her death, and that it was very evident there were large doses of methadone in there. It was still present in her system, traces of it.
GRACE: And Dr. Joshua Perper, I know that, for instance, you can take a hair sample days later and determine whether or not drugs have been used. Is that true with skin tissue?
PERPER: It can be determined whether she used Demerol days prior to death or not. Demerol can be found still in the body, and it can be detected in the hair. But it`s irrelevant to the cause and manner of death. In other words, the fact that somebody took Demerol doesn`t mean that she died of Demerol. Somebody took methadone in the hair, the presence in the hair doesn`t indicate that she died -- this is in general. I`m not addressing this case. Just to say that the presence in the hair is irrelevant as to the cause of death.
GRACE: Dr. Perper, if she had been taking methadone and someone gave her Demerol or she self-injected Demerol, I guess that could result in an overdose. I never considered the combination of methadone and Demerol.
PERPER: As a general statement, a person can die of combined drug intoxication if more than one drug is taken at the time. And, as a matter of fact, we see often people who die of a combination of drugs. That`s not unusual. Whether this happened in this case, that`s another question.
"Do you recall Larry Birkhead in the hearing state that HKS was putting some type of drug in ANS intraveinous tube when ANS was at the hospital?"
I recall LB saying that.
Barf makes me wanna barf.
genetics and biology do not equal custody
I get my hormone injections in the buttocks.
Thanks for the transcript. Perp does indeed say ANS temp was 105 degrees. . .
He also directly contradicts Wecht's statement on H&C:
Perper: "As a general statement, a person can die of combined drug intoxication if more than one drug is taken at the time."
Well, at least he knows that much.
Oh my gosh, that is true. She hadn't used it in 5 months to HKS's knowledge. He couldn't possibly have done it. He knew nothing. He saw nothing. Do you think he was THAT smart to plant that statement? It seemed very staged and stiff when he said it. What a......
You're good.
Stlnative is good, but let's trip HKS up.
So, Mr. Stern, whose methadone was stored in the fridge at Horizons?
Once again he bounced away from the direct questions.
Yes recent, past, and current Methadone and Demerol would be found in her tissues and hair if she was a regular user of it. It's the level of Methdone & Demerol found at the time the samples were taken that would say if it killed her or not.
I want to know when her body temp was taken - plus now we hear she was laying under a thick comforter in the bed. What was the thermostat set at in the room? Was the AC on or was the heat or was no type of heating and cooling on?
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