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November 22, 1963 - President Kennedy Assassinated
Little House on Unaka | November 22, 1963 | don-o

Posted on 11/22/2006 8:19:47 AM PST by don-o

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To: Always Right

The big problem with criticisms of the "magic bullet" theory is that they mislocate Connally relative to Kennedy.


41 posted on 11/22/2006 11:07:43 AM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (Republicans are told to court "the base," which translates to Arabic as "al-Qaeda.")
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To: MplsSteve
How many? I'd say 3 or 4. Triangulated fire. Guaranteed to make sure that Kennedy didn't leave Dealey Plaza alive.

And the only people hit were Kennedy and Connally, despite the hailstorm of bullets that would have been flying across the plaza and into the crowds?

42 posted on 11/22/2006 11:09:46 AM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (Republicans are told to court "the base," which translates to Arabic as "al-Qaeda.")
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To: Momaw Nadon
2017 Sealed government documents surrounding John F. Kennedy's assassination to be released.

Wow, so Hillary was involved. They obviously waited until 2017 because she will be out of office by then.

43 posted on 11/22/2006 11:16:56 AM PST by Always Right
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To: BluH2o
The History Channel story of of the JFK story point to some interesting facts that were deep sixed by the Warren Commission. A soldier standing on the grassy knoll testified that a shot was fired behind him and over his left shoulder toward the JFK Limo. A bystander on the Dealey Plaza shot a picture of the Limo looking toward the grassy knoll. When this photo is enhanced a figure in unifrom, (the soldier), has the gun flash plume over his left sholder!

Bystanders who were stopped on the Stemmons overpass to watch the parade were seen pointing towards the parking lot behind the bushes where this shot would have come from. They testified that they saw a person in a Dallas Police Officer Uniform run from the scene and drive off in an unmarked car. According to DPD no uniformed officer was assigned to this vantage point!

The uniformed soldier died recently but maintained his story. the Parkland autopsy was botched. The coffin that transported JFK back to Washington was flown out into the Atlantic and deep sixed after JFK was taken to Bethesda. Too many mysteries!

Get the History Channel show and watch it with an open imnd.

44 posted on 11/22/2006 11:24:42 AM PST by Young Werther
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To: wideawake

The Magic Bullet Theory was not put forth by conspiracists.

It was suggested by then-Warren Commission counsel Arlen Specter. Specter was hardly a tool of the "JFK was killed by a conspiracy" crowd.

As for the witnesses, there was one who had military training (and I believe was a combat veteran) who said emphatically that he could be shot coming from behind him and over him. The guy in the railroad tower (behind the picket fence) saw several individuals back there with weapons. He saw gun smoke and heard shots from there. The individuals left right after the shooting.

As for the bullet marks, let me clarify. It was two. In fact, afterwards investigators cut away the part of the curb that was struck. They never said "Yes, a bullet hit here" nor did they say "No, a bullet didn't strike here". Your attempt to say "Was it 2 or 1 or none" doesn't change this.

You're free to discredit the evidence of course. The evidence is less than perfect. But using a rational analysis of all the evidence combined, it becomes clear that there was a strong probability that there were multiple shooters.

Until someone comes forward (or new evidence comes out into the open) that can reasonably say that there was one shooter and it was Lee Harvey Oswald, there's no compelling reason to avoid believing that there were multiple shooters.

You will notice that in my posts I have been using the words "strong probability" and strong likelihood" in describing why there were multiple shooters. Unlike you, I'm not prepared to rule out any possibility. You, on the other hand, have clearly ruled out the possibility of multiple shooters.

Like I said above, we're gonna have to agree to disagree on this one - until the day (hopefully) where new evidence comes forth.


45 posted on 11/22/2006 11:30:39 AM PST by MplsSteve
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

A hailstorm of bullets?

Hardly.

Best guesstimates point at 4-6 shots, all aimed at the limousine.


46 posted on 11/22/2006 11:32:57 AM PST by MplsSteve
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To: don-o

Aldous Huxley and C.S. Lewis also died that day. Poor saps.


47 posted on 11/22/2006 11:36:04 AM PST by Borges
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To: MplsSteve
Best guesstimates point at 4-6 shots, all aimed at the limousine.

Let's assume your theory is correct (it isn't, as I will demonstrate), using the conspiracy buffs' favorite alleged shooting sites. For a "triangulated crossfire," everyone's capping off at least three shots (anyone who was in the Army, like me, knows this). Try a minimum of 9 bullets, more likely 12-16. We've accounted for four of them. Where'd the rest go?

Well, as any law enforcement officer (again, like me) knows, they would've gone into the backstop.

Said backstop, in this case, being the crowds of people on each sidewalk.

How come nobody but Kennedy and Connally got hit? Did they use special bullets that, if they miss their intended target, just disappear in a puff of illogic?

48 posted on 11/22/2006 11:39:32 AM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (Republicans are told to court "the base," which translates to Arabic as "al-Qaeda.")
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

You're assuming that what happened in Dealey Plaza turned into a one-sided shoot-out.

The individuals doing the shooting were highly trained. They weren't a bunch of gang-bangers unloading on someone during a drive-by shooting.

I'd have to go back and look as to where the missed shots went - but I am aware that at least one was recovered by either the Dallas Police or Secret Service afterwards.

I wish I could tell you that (for example) that Sniper 1 only fired once and hit his target) and Sniper 2 fired twice (missed once, hit the target once), etc. etc...but I can't.

No one knows for sure. But on the basis of my previous post, evidence seems to point towards multiple shooters.

As I also said, I hope that someday new evidence comes out that will authoritatively say "Yes, there was one shooter in the 6th floor corner of the Book Depository". With that will come the end of the conspiracy murmurs.

Until that point, it's fair to say (and safe to say) that there is a strong likelihood of multiple shooters.


49 posted on 11/22/2006 11:47:28 AM PST by MplsSteve
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To: MplsSteve
Suggested reading - Best Evidence by David S Lifton.
50 posted on 11/22/2006 12:14:07 PM PST by Churchillspirit (We are all foot soldiers in this War On Terror.)
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To: MplsSteve
The individuals doing the shooting were highly trained.

And part of that training is "you keep shooting at maximum accurate rate of fire until the target(s) go(es) down." You do not waste an opportunity to engage the target(s).

I'd have to go back and look as to where the missed shots went - but I am aware that at least one was recovered by either the Dallas Police or Secret Service afterwards.

That's included in the total shots fired--four shots, three bullets in Kennedy and Connally, one recovered from the street.

51 posted on 11/22/2006 12:16:54 PM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (Republicans are told to court "the base," which translates to Arabic as "al-Qaeda.")
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To: MplsSteve
At least one ot two bullet marks were located on the pavement from where shots missed the presidential limousine.

And those bullet marks were cemented over within hours of the President's death.

52 posted on 11/22/2006 12:17:12 PM PST by Churchillspirit (We are all foot soldiers in this War On Terror.)
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To: MplsSteve
In 1976, the House Select Committee on Assassinations undertook reinvestigations of the murders of John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King, Jr. In 1979, a single Report and twelve volumes of appendices on each assassination were published by the Congress. In the JFK case, the HSCA found that there was a "probable conspiracy," though it was unable to determine the nature of that conspiracy or its other participants (besides Oswald). This finding was based in part on acoustics evidence from a tape purported to record the shots, but was also based on other evidence including an investigation of Ruby's underworld connections. The acoustics evidence was disputed by a panel of scientists, but that "debunking" has itself come under attack recently..
53 posted on 11/22/2006 12:21:10 PM PST by don-o (Proudly posting without reading the thread since 1998. (stolen from one cool dude))
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To: don-o

I was 13 also - at school - they sent us home. Dad (it was his birthday) picked me up and took me home, but left it to my Mom to explain. Then they let me go to a friend's house to watch television. We didn't have TV, Dad really hated them. I happened to be watching TV at that friend's house when the shooting of Oswald took place.

What I remember most was how shook my parents were by those events. I was pretty much lost in my own world in those days - that was the first time I started to pay attention to the outside world.


54 posted on 11/22/2006 12:34:24 PM PST by Roses0508 (Democracy does not guarantee equality of conditions - it only guarantees equality of opportunity.)
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To: don-o

I was in 4th grade - the priciple came in and announced to the class what had happened and our teacher told us to pray for the president. And that was in a public school! Imagine what would have happened to her if she did that now.

Malcolm X comment: "President Kennedy never foresaw that the chickens would come home to roost so soon... Being an old farm boy myself, chickens coming home to roost never did make me sad; they always made me glad."

15 months later, Malcolm's chickens came home.


55 posted on 11/22/2006 1:00:25 PM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: MplsSteve

All you need do is roll the Zapruder film frame by frame.

You can see there are missing frames.


56 posted on 11/22/2006 1:08:15 PM PST by djf (Only immigration question needed: You coming here to JOIN US or to CONQUER US?)
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To: don-o
From time to time, my interest is rekindled and I go digging for thew new and old theories on what happened that day in Dallas. I am 100% certain that the Warren Commision got it wrong. What really happened?

The most plausible theory I've heard is that the Mafia did it.

57 posted on 11/22/2006 1:12:09 PM PST by lowbridge
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To: djf

I've never done that. But I have heard that before.

Hard to say why there are missing frames.

Also, who did it?

So many unanswered questions. I wonder if we'll ever know who killed Kennedy and why.

I'm reminded of the final scene in the movie "The Rock" when Nicholas Cage runs out of the church, hops into his car and as they're driving down the road, he's looking at a microfilm and says to his wife "Honey, do you wanna know who killed President Kennedy?"

Half humorously, I wonder if that's how we'll ever find out.


58 posted on 11/22/2006 1:20:01 PM PST by MplsSteve
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To: MplsSteve

I've heard there was for sure one, possibly two more films.

Trouble is, so much time has passed, so much evidence lost and/or intentionally modded, that even a death bed confession of the real shooter would fall on deaf ears.

The one thing we know is this: It was a very, very professional job done by some group that had resources and influence.

No matter what the ballistics evidence, the acoustic evidence, the eyewitness reports say, there is no way Oswald could have pulled it off.
Oswald, after all, was dead. He couldn't have participated in the cover up.

And there WAS a cover up.


59 posted on 11/22/2006 1:31:58 PM PST by djf (Only immigration question needed: You coming here to JOIN US or to CONQUER US?)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

"We've accounted for four of them."

If there were four shots, this presents a problem for the Lone Gunman Theory, since even the true believers of the Warren Commission Report do not claim that Lee Harvey Oswald got off more than three shots.

There could have been more than one shooter without there being a conspiracy, of course. My reading of the evidence leads me to conclude (albeit with less than complete certainty) that there were at least two, and possibly three, shooters who were operating independently that day.


60 posted on 11/22/2006 2:08:32 PM PST by riverdawg
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