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Explaining the Shooting of Governor John Connally
Shown on FreeRepublic for the first time. | October 25, 2006 | Bill Charleston

Posted on 10/25/2006 7:54:41 AM PDT by BILL_C

It’s fall, the temperature is falling, the leaves are turning and with November here, we have some repeats to watch on the cable networks.

The History Channel will show one of their favorites, ABC’s documentary “Beyond Conspiracy” featuring Peter Jennings and a computer animation which shows a bullet that hit President Kennedy’s back four inches below his collar but then the bullet allegedly exited his neck after nicking the upper part of the knot of his tie, and then it goes down at approximately a 25 degree down angle to hit Governor Connally in his back. It’s amazing what computers can show.

We’ll also most likely see the Discovery Channel’s explanation of the assassination in “Beyond the Magic Bullet.” This show also features Dale Meyers’ computer animation, the same one used in “Beyond Conspiracy.” The show goes beyond the previous documentary as the producers go to Australia to get an expert shooter to attempt to duplicate the magic bullet, the shot that hit both JFK and Governor Connally. The shots they fire are aimed at figures composed of material which act like human muscle and bone when a bullet is fired into them.

Both of these shows think they proved the magic bullet theory is true.

Watch the digitized and stablilized Zapruder Film

The Closeup Zapruder Film with Frame #

For over 40 years we’ve heard and seen documentaries which talk about strange details in the JFK assassination investigation and reports. We first had the Warren Commission appointed by President Johnson with the main purpose to show that a lone gunman fired three shots at the limousine and wounded JFK, Governor Connally and a bystander too. We then had the House Subcommittee on Assassinations investigation in 1978 which investigated additional evidence in part because the Zapruder film was first shown to the American public on night TV in 1975. One of the newer pieces of evidence was the finding that the Dallas Police radio channel recorded a stuck open microphone during the time of the assassination and may have actually recorded the actual gunshots.

In 1991 the movie “JFK” again ignited the public’s curiosity about the assassination with “back and to the right” along with witnesses saying they saw another gunman. The government again responded and gave us the Records Review Act which released even more information about the murder. In 1997, the Zapruder film was digitized and now we can see even more details in the film. And in 2001, a statistical analysis was published concerning the Dallas Police recording with the finding there were five shots captured by the recording. A gunshot and it’s reflections off objects is like a fingerprint in that it’s fairly unique and dependent on where the shooter is and where the microphone is that captured the sounds, and the objects such as buildings that the sounds reflect off of.

Although we’ve heard about “discrepancies” for years in documentaries such as the “Men Who Killed Kennedy,” we’ve also had some documentaries disappear from the airways as the History Channel found them not to be accurate such as the “Guilty Men”, a documentary that fingered Vice-President Johnson and other cronies in a Texas murder ring.

The story in my opinion will not die as so many of the “facts” don’t seem to fit reality. We need to see something that makes sense.

Last year I met with one of the best known critics of the Warren Commission. I showed Dr. Cyril Wecht that one assumption made in the killing had led virtually everyone to make incorrect conclusions in the case. That assumption is that all of Governor Connally’s wounds were caused by one bullet when in fact Governor Connally was wounded by two separate shots which were both fired from the Texas School Book Depository. Dr. Wecht’s questions and observations led me to do more research which I’m still working on.

But what I want to show you today is when Governor Connally was wounded, something that has never been shown correctly on any of the documentaries or in any of the books that I’ve reviewed. You see, experts such as Dr. Wecht have been arguing about what did not happen. Instead, let’s show you what actually did happen.

To do that, I think the best place to start is with the last shot.

To briefly familiarize you with the Zapruder Film frame numbers, Z frame number 313 will be called Z313. The following are a few major frame numbers for familiarization.

Z=133 We first see the Limo in the film

Z=160 Some theorize the first shot from the Texas School Book Depository, we see Gov. Connally’s head movement to the right shortly afterwards

Z=220 We first see President Kennedy emerge from behind the sign, clutching his throat and obviously wounded

Z=223 Governor Connally reacts to his first wound

Z=220 to Z=324 Governor Connally turns to look over his shoulder toward what he thinks are gunshots

Z=313 We see the fatal shot to President Kennedy

Z=325 Governor Connally is hit in the back and driven forward

With the film speed of 18.3 frames/second, things happened quickly, too quick for 1960’s technology and the lack of accurate information they had to extract the truth. What we can see now in individual frames captured and edited was not possible even a few years ago when everything was analogue. And of course, nobody looked at Governor Connally closely after JFK's head shot at Z=313. Most everyone was sure all the serious action was over.

To those of you who remember the basic scenarios of the Warren Commission and the other numerous theories, the descriptions shown above concerning Connally’s wounds are new. And as I’ll show you, it isn’t a theory, it’s the only times Governor Connally could have been wounded in the eight seconds from the first shot until the last was fired.

With literally thousands of books and hour after hour of documentaries on what must surely be the most investigated murder in history, at this time let’s concentrate on Governor Connally’s wounds. Once you understand the only way possible that Governor Connally could have been wounded based on the facts we have, then not only can we understand how both men were wounded, it will once and for all reveal how the Guilty Men pulled this off.

The first question concerns the last shot shown above at Z=325. The Warren Commission concluded the last shot was the fatal head shot at Z=313 but was faced with testimony such as one of the best witnesses, Secret Service agent Roy Kellerman who sat in the Limo directly in front of Governor Connally. During his Warren Commission testimony, Kellerman spoke of the ending of the shooting as a “flurry” of shots. When pressed for how many, he said two. He described the spacing of the last two shots as bang-bang. When Arlen Specter pressed him again, he said it was like an airplane breaking the sound barrier (the front of the plane breaks the sound barrier before the rear of the plane, hence you hear bang-bang also).

When Arlen Specter asked the spacing between the first shot and the flurry of shots, Kellerman said three to five seconds.

When we look at the Zapruder film, we see at Z=325 the collapse forward and downward movement of Connally’s head. Looking at the sequence in real time, we see Connally driven quickly forward with his head snapping forward when he is shot. Further confirmation is given when you look at the analysis of the Dallas Police Recording. The difference between the Z=313 shot and the last shot is 0.7 seconds or approximately 12 frames.

We now have a credible witness, a recording, and the best motion picture of the assassination showing agreement that a shot was fired at Z=325.

But listen to a recent explanation of the Zapruder film factoring in the Dallas Police Recording. The reasons for Dr. Thomas' confusion and his trying to cling to the Warren Commission's are easily explained, but I'll leave that for later. Listen to the description of the last shot, "fired almost simultaneously" but they didn't even look to see what it might have done.

The Zapruder Film and the Dallas Police Recording per the Main Stream Media

A Warren Commission supporter will tell you that Governor Connally could not have been shot after Kennedy was shot because his leg wound does not line up with the shot trajectory through his body and through his right wrist. And, of course, there were only three bullets fired from the TSBD.

The hole in their argument is that Connally was indeed wounded earlier by a bullet fragment which entered Governor Connally’s leg. And note the importance of the fact to this investigation that it was a bullet fragment, not an intact bullet. That Connally was hit by a bullet fragment to his left leg is well documented but many of today’s documentaries incorrectly describe that the left leg wound was caused by an intact bullet which then fell out of his leg later at the hospital.

Three bullet fragments were found under Nellie Connally’s seat (CE840), who sat directly to the left of Governor Connally. It’s therefore credible that the bullet fragment that John Connally’s left leg is from the CE840 shot.

To test this “theory” against the Warren Commission’s, I took some of the better known observations in the JFK assassination list and compared the Z=325 scenario against the Warren Commission scenario. This is a quick way to see how facts fit against both theories.

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Observation

 

Warren Commission Three Shots

Z=325 Shot to Connally’s back

 

 

 

Connally turns in his seat and looks back at JFK Z=230 to Z=324

No (1)

Yes

Connally holds hat in his hand until at least

Z=325

No

Yes

Nellie and John Connally both said John

Was shot after JFK’s first wound (3)

No

Yes

Connally falls forward as he describes in later

Interviews when he is shot

No

Yes

Three shots were fired from the TSBD

Yes

Yes

Several Witnesses saw shooter(s) at the Grassy

Knoll

No

Yes

Agrees with Dallas Police Recording

No

Yes

Kellerman Described “flurry of shots”

No

Yes

JFK and Connally both react to Z=222 shot

Yes

Yes

Connally bullet left wide scar to his back like

the bullet was tumbling

Yes (4)

No

Bullet to JFK’s back did not have a point of exit (5).

No

Yes

 

 

 

(1) If seriously wounded at approximately Z=220, this turn would be incredible for a man wounded so seriously.

(2) Connally’s right wrist is allegedly broken by the shot at Z=220, it’s not reasonable to believe he could hold his hat for over 5 seconds

(3) Both Nellie and John Connally were actually very sure he was not wounded by the same bullet that first struck JFK. At a showing of the Zapruder film, John Connally guessed that he was wounded closer to Z=238. If the Dallas Police recording is valid, there is no shot fired at that time. Roy Kellerman’s testimony also stated that it was 3-5 seconds before the last two shots after the first.

(4) The Single Bullet supporters such as Dr. Latimer use this as support that the bullet which hit Gov. Connally in the back struck something else first. Experimental shots show that a bullet passing through tissue like JFK’s upper body tends to roll over; hence the wider scar that was left in Gov. Connally’s back. This is not proof, however, that the bullet struck something else before it entered John Connally’s back.

(5) FBI agent O’Neal described the autopsy discovery of the bullet wound to Kennedy’s back and then said no point of exit was discovered by probing with both the doctor’s finger and instruments.

The above table indicates based on some of the information commonly discussed concerning the assassination that the Z=325 scenario has merit. When you look at the location of the shot to JFK’s back (four inches below the collar) and the fact that after exiting his neck, the bullet next has to be traveling at a 25 degree down angle; this is probably the major reason the single bullet theory has been so disbelieved.

Is that enough of an introduction? I’ll tell you later the rest of the story as for this to be credible, there had to be at least six shots with three different shooters according to one of the doctors involved in the Warren Commission investigation. But as I’ve shown so far, Governor Connally’s left leg wound was caused by a bullet which fragmented and hit both JFK and Governor Connally.

That reduces to five shots and three different shooters, three shots from the TSBD and two shots from the front of the limo, fired by two different shooters. And funny thing is, there were witnesses who saw them!

To give you a hint about the rest of the story, in Tip O’Neal’s book, “The Man of the House” he discusses a conversation with JFK aid Kenny O’Donnell who said he was quite sure there were two shot fired from the front. O’Donnell also tells why he did not tell the Warren Commission what he saw and heard when he testified.

The cover-up and the misinformation supplied by the government is as interesting as the shooting analysis itself. You see, for the government to get the investigation this wrong with testimony so clear, there had to be some interesting arm twisting going on. Arlen Specter, do you even today have a clue what you did? And Gerald Ford, the lone surviving member of the Warren Commission, you have to know something, don’t you? Or did both of you keep your heads buried in the sand as you were manipulated by the Guilty Men? The truth is buried in a Conspiracy of Silence, just like Dr. Crenshaw said in the first book I read on the subject.

And how could the major news media keep getting this so wrong? "We" will deal with you later.

If you check Tip O’Neal’s book, “The Man of the House”, you’ll see that he talks about Kenny O’Donnell’s description in the book of two shots that were fired from the front. Since O’Donnell was in one of the cars behind JFK’s, he had a unique position and describes later to Tip O’Neal why he did not tell what he saw correctly to the Warren Commission.

Now let’s look at the individual frames and see Connelly’s head snap downward immediately after the bullet hits him in the back. I drew a white line through the back of his head in each frame to make the rapid movement of his head clearer. This is the first time to my knowledge that this head movement has been documented. With 18.2 frames per second, it would be virtually impossible for Connally’s head to collapse without an external force.

Z=324 Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

Z=325 Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

Z=326 Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

Z=327 Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

Z=328 Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

Now that you see in just a couple of frames how Governor Connally's head rolled down as he was ducking forward from the Z=313 shot that hit JFK in the head, listen to his description of how he was thrown forward as he was shot in the back.

A interview with Connally describing how he was shot

As you listen to Connally's description, the part about how he was hit in the back and thrown forward by the force of the bullet agrees with the Z=325 shot to Connally's back scenario very well, but then Govenor Connally goes on to describe how he then hears the fatal shot to JFK's head.

One of the reasons that this issue has been so confusing for so long is that many of the witnesses only got parts of what they said correct. Governor Connally, for example, did not see the head shot to President Kennedy as he was looking forward as he was turning to look over his left shoulder but he clearly says in his interview clip that JFK was shot after his back wound was received. Secret Service Agent Roy Kellerman says he heard one shot followed by 3-5 seconds then two shots, bang-bang. Kellerman argues with Specter later trying to reason there had to be more shots than three but Kellerman never says he heard more than three. The shots Kellerman identifies are number 3, 4 and 5. Shot 3 fragments and hits both JFK and wounds Connally in the left leg with a bullet fragment, shot 4 is the fatal head shot at Z=313, and shot 5 is the shot to Connally's back at Z=325.

And later when other details are explained, the actual killers will be exposed. No investigation could get this so wrong without some serious arm twisting.


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To: cpdiii
I shoot a lot and have become quite proficient with arms. Two things puzzle me. I could not come close to making those shots at a moving target in the time frame between the shots using a bolt action rifle that Lee Harvey Oswald had.

The time allowed for the shooting was 8 seconds, contrary to popular conspiracy notions. The target vehicle was approximately 44 yards away from Oswald's position at the closest, and 88 yards at the longest. From his vantage point, the motorcade was moving almost directly away from his position in his 4x scope's target reticle. Moreover, a misadjustment on the mounted scope's shims (since lost in FBI custody) actually contributed to aiding mechanical 'windage' in the direction of the motorcade's path of travel. Are you saying that your proficiency with firearms has not yet enabled you to accomplish a two-shot group of eight inches on a practically stationary target at an average range of 60 yards? Oswald missed once, probably because his initial round struck the limb of a tree in his path, but the other two rounds hit within eight inches of one another at 60 yards.

Summary of Oswald's performance: Three shots, one visible miss, two hits in an eight inch group at 60 yards through a four-power scope. Is that such an astonishing display of shooting? You really admit that you cannot even come close to that level of achievement?

Also, why would an ex Marine choose a cheap bolt action Italian Rifle to use in an assassination attempt. He knew weapons and had fired good weapons in his training.

In this case, 'Cheap' means 'inexpensive', not a indication of the rifle's quality. There's evidence and testimony of Oswald being a notorious cheapskate with his meager finances for years leading up to the assassination. He was lucky to be working menial jobs that came his way during his early married years. His pistol was a cheap (and even a piece of crap, unlike his Mannlicher-Carcano), yet he murdered officer Tippet with it from conversational range. How come no-one doubts Oswald's hangunning skills?

The logical choice would have been an M1-Garand Model D. Eight shots, semiautomatic, with an 8 round inblock clip. It has a sniper scope and would be accurate enough at the distances for these shots. To fire at a moving target with a scoped bolt action rifle, chamber a new round and acquire the target again is not going to happen in 0.7 seconds.

Interesting that you mention that. Oswald bought his 'Carcano from Klein's Sporting Goods in via mail order after seeing this advertisement. Notice the price difference between the 'Carcano he bought versus the M1 Garand just above it in the advertisement. Adjusted for inflation, that M1 Garand would cost $600-$800 in today's money -- somewhat in line with the price of a surplus M1 Garand these days that's not sold through the CMP program. That's a high price to pay for a surplus rifle, and it's not even an 'M1D' model with the special receiver and M81/M82 scope. Also, the Federal CMP program had not yet begun to sell surplus M1 Garands to civilians in 1963 -- We were still shipping them to Greece, South Korea, the Philippines, and Honduras and so forth. Moreover, M1D rifles still cost a premium at the time. Have you seen how much an M1D sells for today? Last decent one I saw cost about $5500, and that was in 'NRA Good' condition.

Again, your stated timing is incorrect. Oswald had over 8 seconds to fire three shots, cycling twice. It was replicated by marksmen of the time including FBI and civilian CMP shooters, some of whom were Distinguished Expert level as well as those who shot the equivalent of Oswald's USMC basic training 'Sharpshooter' score of 212. By the way, if Oswald would have shot eight measly points higher in basic training, he'd have been awarded the 'Expert Rifleman' proficiency badge. I personally shot 221 in USMC boot camp, only nine points higher than Oswald on precisely the identical qualification regimen, and barely made 'Expert' by the skin of my teeth. The difference between our two scores is only the difference between a calm day and a windy day at qualification.

The last thing that bothers me is Jack Ruby. The Kennedys had cracked down on the Mafia. Why would a low level Mafia criminal kill the man that had just killed the President that was destroying his organization?

Jack Ruby was in the Mafia? He was a over-emotional street tough who grew up to own a few titty bars in the Dallas area. He might seem to you like a Mafia member who walked out of central casting, but there was no evidence that Jack Rubenstein was actually in the Mafia. The closest link that investigators made to Jack Ruby and the Dallas mob was that a competitor of his ran a strip club across town.

Read 'Case Closed' by Gerald Posner, then re-read it again and again. The book demolishes concepts and theories that conspiracy buffs have been fiddling with for decades. It shows where they're wrong, where they've invented evidence, and planted false information in the mids of the casually interested to support their otherwise unsupportable claims. The book shows how conspiracy buffs continally have changed or abandoned their stories and worked in collusion with one another in conferences and symposiums to keep this stupid conspiracy myth alive over the years.

141 posted on 10/25/2006 11:00:50 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: Al Gator

"Morgue photo's don't lie."

Let's not throw glass stones on typos, okay?


142 posted on 10/25/2006 11:04:19 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: BILL_C
Time Magazine cover story, November 3094:


Who Really Shot JFK?

Magic Bullet Theory Revisited
Startling New Evidence!

143 posted on 10/25/2006 11:05:10 AM PDT by LIConFem (Just opened a new seafood restaurant in Great Britain, called "Squid Pro Quid")
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To: SoCal Pubbie

Oops, that should have been stones FROM glass houses. See how easy it is?


144 posted on 10/25/2006 11:05:12 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: The KG9 Kid

If he was a radical leftwing nutcase, then how did he

a) get stationed on a forward airbase in Japan that had recon flights into the Soviet Union.

b) go to the Soviet Union (the "defection") with a 1200 ticket from a 200 bank account

c) get back in the States, paid for by uncle sam, bring his sweetheart, and more importantly, not get charged with treason

d) get involved in a ruckous with Anti-Castro Cubans that was later determined to be orchestrated by New Orleans Police....

I'm not a tinfoil wearer, nor do I care much for Oliver Stone and his "investigative directing," but common sense tells me to search the facts whereever they may lead...

Oswald was an intelligence officer of the US Government, and was till the day he died. He may have been in deep cover. But if we go by the evidence of the Zapruder film, and the Dallas Police sound recording, none of the shots from the Texas School Book Depository could have been fatal to Kennedy. The fatal shot sent him back and to the right, which meant the fatal shot came from the front and left of the motorcade, from either the Grassy Knoll.

Peter Jennings last major act before pushing dasies by denying Newton's first law of motion and third law of thermodynamics proves that there's been a nasty cover-up the last forty years, with dark elements of the government, and willing accomplices in the Judiciary and the drive-by media.

Shot one (missses motorcade completely--TSBD)
Shot two (strikes Kennedy in the neck--GK)
Shot three (again misses motorcade completely richohet and hit man standing by overpass--TSBD)
Shot four (Hits governor Conally in the back exits hits him in the wrist--TSBD)
Shot five (Misses again found in the dirt later--GK)
motorcade slows to ten mph--big mistake...
Shot six (Fatal shot to Kennedy in the head--GK)

Remember the reason for a group of conspiritors shooting in Dealy Plaza was to have a triangulation of gunfire, a killing zone of three rifles. The TSBD was the worst place to fire any shot and hit, and impossible for the fatal shot to hit, given foliage at the time. The Daltex building may have been a good shot, but all the trajectories involved account only for shots from the TSBD and the Grassy Knoll, that snipers nest may have been meant for a spotter.


145 posted on 10/25/2006 11:10:18 AM PDT by Schwaeky (Welcome to America--Now speak English or LEAVE!)
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To: The KG9 Kid

Oswald's rifle was total garbage. It might have been effective as a club but even the authorities were afraid to fire it for fear it would blow up in their faces.

In addition, as found it was incapable of accurate fire until the US Army Ordinance Laboratory fixed it.


146 posted on 10/25/2006 11:11:54 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Al Gator
IMO, shooting JFK at that particular location is odd. Dealey Plaza is a peculiar area which makes shooting a moving target even more difficult. From the 6th Floor, Oswald would see the motorcade moving directly toward him when it was on Houston Street. Being high above the street, he would have had a better and longer time to aim than after the turn onto Elm. So, why didn't he take the easier shot? Once on Elm, the car was moving left to right rather than toward Oswald cutting the drastically cutting his aim time. Not only was the car moving from his left to right causing him to hang further out the window at an odd angle, the road itself curves left and also descends downward because of both the hill and upcoming railroad track overpass. Then there's the trees and signs which could block Oswald's view.

Crouching at that window certainly gave me a start. Either Oswald was an extremely lucky nutcase who ignored all reason and his military training or there were other shooters who were stationed around the plaza to triangulate.

Triangulation makes the best sense with the different levels to place shooters and knowing the car would be boxed in and could only move south. Oswald would be on the 6th floor with sightings from above, side, and back. The grassy knoll would again be above street height with the car moving generally toward it and passing it. The man hole or drainage would be below but with the car traveling downward and toward the hole that's conceivable as well. A possible 4th shooter on top of the tracks would also have a great view and be able to aim at the oncoming car as well as fire at it if need be after it passed out the other side of the dip.
147 posted on 10/25/2006 11:12:54 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: streetpreacher

Haldeman said in his book Ends of Power, that "the bay of pigs" was the code word Nixon used to describe the events in Dallas.


148 posted on 10/25/2006 11:13:18 AM PDT by jd777
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To: The KG9 Kid
"Jack Ruby was in the Mafia? He was a over-emotional street tough who grew up to own a few titty bars in the Dallas area."

Source? Try this:

More than just a few titty bars.

149 posted on 10/25/2006 11:13:35 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Schwaeky
"Oswald was an intelligence officer of the US Government"

There's no evidence of that whatsoever. Furthermore, the Soviets found him unstable and wanted nothing to do with him.

"Remember the reason for a group of conspirators shooting in Dealy Plaza was to have a triangulation of gunfire"

Can you cite any other assassination in history that used as "triangulation of fire", successful or otherwise? John Wilkes Booth and Abraham Lincoln? John Hinkley and Ronald Reagan? Leon Czogosz and William McKinley? Gavrilo Princip and Franz Ferdinand?

"The TSBD was the worst place to fire any shot and hit"

Have you been to Dealey Plaza? I have. I've seldom shot a gun in my life and I could hit something that close, right below me.
150 posted on 10/25/2006 11:20:28 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Eastbound

"Most things about Jack Ruby were all talk. "

Your link says it all.


151 posted on 10/25/2006 11:27:23 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: SoCal Pubbie

Man, good 'gotcha'. It's late and my typo twitter goes high about this time of day.


152 posted on 10/25/2006 11:35:55 AM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

Hey SoCal,

I wuz gonna say somthin but that SoCal Pubbie guy might get hot.

LOL

Been up since 4:30, and I'm old.

Past my noon nap time. I'm allowed.


153 posted on 10/25/2006 11:39:09 AM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: Al Gator

I ain't hot, just amused at the spelling police. Especially at the self offenders.


154 posted on 10/25/2006 11:40:45 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: SoCal Pubbie
Actually, I kind of like the spelling police. If we start to get lax on that, we will soon descend into chaotic babble and communication will become difficult, and then impossible.

Language cannot be compromised.

BTW, I get whacked quite often.
155 posted on 10/25/2006 11:47:03 AM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: Al Gator

On the other hand, one can spend a lot of time arguing whether color or colour is the correct spelling and lose focus of the main point. Kind of like the airliner cabin crew who spent so much time with a malfunctioning warning light that thye flew their L1011 into a swamp.


156 posted on 10/25/2006 11:59:58 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: SoCal Pubbie
When Oswald said, "I'm a patsy!", he signed his immediate death warrant. No way would he live long enough to be interrogated or give testimony. In fact, I believe he wasn't even supposed to be arrested, but killed 'resisting' arrest, the usual fate of patsies who don't know they were patsies until the last moment. Oswald realized it in time to make the public announcement, but it still didn't save him.

In a plot to assassinate the president of the United States, there was just no way that any of the actors were going to be named. Hence, the radical and immediate order to Ruby to get 'er done.

157 posted on 10/25/2006 12:05:42 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: SoCal Pubbie
What makes you think Lifton's book is fiction?
158 posted on 10/25/2006 12:15:04 PM PDT by Churchillspirit (We are all foot soldiers in this War On Terror.)
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To: Jim Noble

It seems to me that a key, really the only key issue left, is, "why do the conspirators keep silence now?"

Although I think this is an important part of the story, I wanted to limit the focus to just HOW JOHN CONNALLY was shot. Once that is credible to you, then the question; there had to be a conspiracy not only with multiple shooters, WHO had the power to pull this off?

There is ONLY one reasonable answer to that, and it's the President, Lyndon Johnson. You may remember after Lyndon became President, he made J. Edgar Hoover FBI Director for LIFE! Quite a payoff, woundn't you say, for someone who was going to be put out to pasture IF JFK would have been re-elected.

Now, WHY are they quiet? IF you are familiar with Billy Sol Estes, then you know he has written about this very topic. Mac Wallace, a killer with ties to LBJ, talks freely about it BUT the mainstream press ignores Estes. WHY? He's a criminal, so his word is not to be trusted.

If you want to know more, it's out there. For instance, Estes said Clark Clifford (LBJ aide, and I hope I am remembering his name correctly?) went to Estes just days before he died and told Estes about MORE killings than just JFK, LBJ's sister and boyfried, agricultural agent Henry Marshall (who shot himself FIVE TIMES with a bolt action rifle which was ruled a suicide in Texas, no evidence taken). Lyndon Johnson was about to go to jail for various crimes including murder. WIth JFK's death, he became President instead.

People talked, people died. The television show GUILTY MEN did a decent presentation but was removed from the air.


159 posted on 10/25/2006 12:17:03 PM PDT by BILL_C (Those who don't understand the lessons of History are bound to repeat them.)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

The vast majority of witnesses at the time stated the shots came from direction of the TSBD building. There were no shots form any other place.

REPLY:
The VAST majority of the witnesses were at the other end of the plaza where the TSBD is near.

BUT there are SEVERAL WITNESSES who said TWO shots were fired from the front. That adds to three plus two = FIVE.

That agrees with the Dallas Police Recording of FIVE.

That agrees with other analysis which said you need six shots and three different shooters. I showed that Connally was wounded TWICE, once by the wound to his left leg, and then the shot to his back.

You can see it, people heard and testified that's what they heard, and Connally said he was knocked forward by the shot.

I say it's NOW obvious.

Regards


160 posted on 10/25/2006 12:31:25 PM PDT by BILL_C (Those who don't understand the lessons of History are bound to repeat them.)
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