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X-rated Tolkien: it's not for the kiddies
The Sunday Times ^
| September 24, 2006
| Maurice Chittenden
Posted on 09/24/2006 4:02:42 AM PDT by MadIvan
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If it's a dark morality tale, all right then.
Regards, Ivan
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posted on
09/24/2006 4:02:43 AM PDT
by
MadIvan
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posted on
09/24/2006 4:03:04 AM PDT
by
MadIvan
(I aim to misbehave.)
To: MadIvan
The movies and books seemed dark enough already.
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posted on
09/24/2006 4:07:30 AM PDT
by
Jedi Master Pikachu
( Microevolution is real; Macroevolution is not real.)
To: MadIvan
Welcome back, Ivan! It is good to see you again.
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posted on
09/24/2006 4:08:20 AM PDT
by
bd476
To: MadIvan
The story is based on a Finnish folk tale and is full of incest and suicide and stuff.” Well hey, as long as it has stuff in it, okay. 8^)
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posted on
09/24/2006 4:11:39 AM PDT
by
bill1952
("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
To: MadIvan
"The manuscript for The Children of Hurin, to be published next spring, contains incest, suicide and a multitude of violent deaths. Any film version is likely to have restricted audiences because of the subject matter. Well, the Silmarillion by old JRR himself had all THAT. And except for the incest part, so did LOTR.
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posted on
09/24/2006 4:16:06 AM PDT
by
Wonder Warthog
(The Hog of Steel-NRA)
To: MadIvan
The story is based on a Finnish folk tale and is full of incest and suicide and stuff.” Well, then. There's stuff.
That will make it all worthwhile.
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posted on
09/24/2006 4:20:06 AM PDT
by
woofer
(It is not necessary to understand things in order to argue about them.)
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posted on
09/24/2006 4:23:03 AM PDT
by
ExGeeEye
(129 days (counting up))
To: Wonder Warthog
Well, the Silmarillion by old JRR himself had all THAT. This is The Silmarillion. One of the books of the Silmarillion is titled, "The Children of Hurin," and is about Turin Turambar and his missing sister and mother, Turin's quest to find them and his run-ins with the dragon who bewitched all of them.
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posted on
09/24/2006 4:24:14 AM PDT
by
Knitebane
(Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
To: MadIvan
I don't know if my brain can take getting deeper into the story...
But, I will do so anyway. My guess is that it won't hold up to JRR.
Good to see you again, Ivan. Stay around, I appreciate your perspective.
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posted on
09/24/2006 4:24:41 AM PDT
by
cspackler
(There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
To: MadIvan
That's no worse than Celtic folk tales had, to wit:
Queen maeve and the cattle raid of cooley,The tale of deidre of the sorrows,The legend of Cu Chulainn etc.
CC
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posted on
09/24/2006 4:26:38 AM PDT
by
Celtic Conservative
("Minutum Cantorum, Minutum Baloram, Minutum Carboratum Descendam Pantorum")
To: MadIvan
...contains incest, suicide and a multitude of violent deaths...
I hope we don't want to give every book that contains this material an X.
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posted on
09/24/2006 4:31:51 AM PDT
by
Mark was here
(How can they be called "Homeless" if their home is a field?.)
To: MadIvan
Okay... I watched a mini-series about King Arthur, where he had unknowingly had sex with his sister and that is where Modred came from. So...the plot is not new...it's just being repackaged in a different form.
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posted on
09/24/2006 4:41:38 AM PDT
by
carton253
(Al-Qa'eda are not the Viet Cong. If you exit, they'll follow. And Americans will die...)
To: MadIvan
The manuscript for The Children of Hurin, to be published next spring, contains incest, suicide and a multitude of violent deaths. So does the Bible.
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posted on
09/24/2006 4:45:18 AM PDT
by
rockprof
To: MadIvan
...contains incest, suicide and a multitude of violent deaths...
So did "The Once & Future King", another excellent fantasy book. I read "The Silmarillion". "The Children of Hurin" should be interesting though I don't recommend it for manic depressives. ;-)
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posted on
09/24/2006 4:52:10 AM PDT
by
kb2614
(Hell hath no fury than a bureaucrat scorned)
To: MadIvan
I always had suspicions that there was "stuff" going on behind the scenes that JRR was too gentlemanly to mention...
( Good to see you again, Ivan. )
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posted on
09/24/2006 5:00:23 AM PDT
by
backhoe
(Just an Old Keyboard Cowboy, Ridin' the Trakball into the Dawn of Information)
To: MadIvan
I'd rather have seen a book about the Lord of the Nazgul. He was always the most interesting character in LOR, in my opinion.
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posted on
09/24/2006 5:35:09 AM PDT
by
PzLdr
("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
To: Mark was here
Sounds like Roman history to me.
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posted on
09/24/2006 5:36:11 AM PDT
by
PzLdr
("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
To: cspackler
My guess is that it won't hold up to JRR.
I can imagine the reason JRR abandoned the manuscript is that he didn't believe it held up to his standard
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posted on
09/24/2006 5:41:52 AM PDT
by
grjr21
To: MadIvan
<geek mode>
Actually, Hurin was a Man, not an elf!
</geek mode>
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