Posted on 09/01/2006 10:19:41 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
Lacrosse players' defense: Documents being withheld |
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By William F. West : The Herald-Sun |
"And yet, there is a mother load of testimonial evidence D.A. Nifong could have gotten if Durham police investigators had moved swiftly enough in the beginning, that may be out of his reach, even at trial.
The 30 or more Duke lacrosse team players that attended that wild off-campus party, and to this day, have never told police exactly what they saw and heard."
What? And the beat goes on... The media is exhausting. I used to wonder if they really believed half of what they print, now I believe they no longer care, as long as they are PC correct.
Yep. I think the defense needs to track down the people who had contact with the accuser at Durham Access and interview them for themselves. I'm sure they are because it's obvious the police have no intention of doing it.
And it sounds like any report they get will be a very short version of the story. Maybe a little more than a blank page but not much.
Well, Nifong already floated the silly idea that the 12:41 picture is of the dancers arriving, to cast doubt on the time stamps.
I predict that whatever Nifong comes up with will be creative, and already shown to be impossible with evidence we've already seen. His timeline will make it seem as if he hasn't looked at much of the evidence.
You predicted that "whatever Nifong comes up with (to cast doubt on the validity of the photo time stamps) will be creative". Maybe creative but almost certainly so transparent and obviously bogus that anyone other folks with room temperature IQs would not buy into it.
Oh, I forgot, the jury pool Nifong hopes to draw from is overflowing with room temperature IQ types!
That idea didn't float too well. Not only are the pictures time-stamped but you can see some players watches in the photos. This would have to be one helluva conspiracy for all that to be wrong.
I have no idea what Nifong can possibly come up with. I don't really see any time-frame when this supposed rape could have occured. Seligmann's alibi evidence boxes him in and Finnerty's alibi may box him in even more.
I wonder if the defense will get anywhere with the motion for a bill of particulars because that would give them a clue. As it stands, it appears even they can't figure out what Nifong could possibly argue. And of Seligmann, Finnerty and Evans, which one is "Adam", which one is "Bret" and which one is "Matt"? I'm still trying to figure that out.
Nifong early on when the defense was parading the time stamped pictures and cell phone call times for RS' alibi stated.. "he had his own time line"...
We see in the AV's statement that she claims she arrived about 11:30PM... Nifong was obviously in his early statement intimating that he was going to spring the 11:30 to 12:00 time frame on us... But... that was before the cell phone calls in Brian's car ride were validated at 11:46 to daddy asking for directions... "Its' OK, I'm here now"
Now, he has yet to deliver the requested for bill of particulars so we don't know his new time line... It will obviously not be able to include a the interval required for a 30 minute rape at 610.. He'll now need to significantly shrink the 30 minutes to something a tad more brief before 12:16 or else he eliminates RS out of hand.
This requires a rape from between 11:50 - 12:00 or 12:05 - 12:15.... But there are problems with both intervals since Kim stated she went to the bathroom before the dance to change and was in the bathroom after the dance to change .. That tightens the intervals down even more...
But I'm just speculating... He may have some other time line that fits more with the known evidence than we do...
Better as an escort service call girl than a street hooker. As a call girl, she'd probably get about 60% to 70% of the take. On the street, maybe 40%.
So, are wealthy people supposed to go around in K-Mart clothes and drive '78 Pontiacs so that black Durhamites aren't offended? The "townies" need to quit whining about what other people have and figure out what they can do to improve their own circumstances through hard work, education, and respectable behavior.
Whatever. You obviously know a great deal more about it than I do. /sarc.
Apparently, according to some, if a white person goes to Durham, they're to trade their nice vehicle in on a junker and stop by a thrift store to pick out a new outfit, discarding the one they arrived in along with their jewelry in the nearest dumpster, and not carry more than $5 in their pocket at any time.
LOL! :>
Oh, so it's okay that they were indicted because they are from well-to-do families and that offends Durhamites, and that's fair and just so the wealthier "gowners" should pretend to be poor? You sure are an appeaser. You probably think we should negotiate with Bin Laden.
Agree 100%.
Take the Black Congressional Caucus, for starters. To listen to them, they're still in chains being whipped and starved in the fields and there was no civil rights movement, no Civil War, and no constitutional amendments.
To a lot of these people, it's still the year 1750 and they want to keep it that way.
But that's because of their own prejudice that is inculcated in them from the cradle, and nothing we have done for blacks, including $6 TRILLION in welfare, has satisfied them and it never will. When you've got a great, big white cow to milk from here to eternity, why would you ever agree that enough was enough and take responsibility for yourself when your culture trains you not to?
There is nothing the boys can do except commit suicide and never draw breath again that would satisfy the thinking of these people. Ditto for their parents and you and me, for that matter - just give them our money and then go die or get out of their sight so we don't serve as a reminder as to how badly they have it because we haven't given them enough, and it'll NEVER be enough.
The sooner people quit making excuses for them and "understanding" why this is, the better off we will be.
The time to stop the insanity has arrived.
ROFLOL!!! :>
I don't see how he can say it happened between 11:50 and 12:00 because they have photos of the strippers dancing in the 12:03 and 12:04 range. He would have to say that the accuser started dancing after she was raped and that seems implausible. It also doesn't match up with any of the accusers many stories.
The 12:05 to 12:15 time frame is better but Kim says they were locked in the bathroom for some period of time. They stopped dancing at 12:04. Even if they were only in there for 5 minutes that pushes it up to 12:09. Also they apparently have to leave the house and go back in at some point. That takes time too. Time for them to sit in Kim's car and pout and have a player come out and talk them back into the house. When did that happen? It seems like it has to happen before the non-rape but after they started dancing because the broomstick remark is apparently what caused them to stop. How do you squeeze a rape in there?
The other thing is - what's Finnerty's alibi and when did he leave? Did he leave before Seligmann? I think he may have and if he did Nifong has a real problem. Early on a defense lawyer said Finnerty left before any dancing started. That would mean he left prior to Seligmann. It would mean he left before midnight. So where does that leave Nifong? I just can't figure out what he can possibly argue.
One last thing - I don't think Nifong has a timeline yet. Since he has to construct his timeline around the alibi evidence and he doesn't know what all the alibi evidence is yet he can't have one.
Ed Bradley isn't going to change his spots at this point in the game. I've read it more than one place that Bradley leaves the shows to others and just shows up does them with little personal knowledge of the cases/shows he does. He makes no bones about saying he likes to spend as little time at work as possible.
I cannot envision Bradley being able to resist the temptation to leave the impression the players had bad intentions and are not telling the truth about the night.
Personally, I don't think the man is capable of stating what the evidence leads objective people to at this point - a Hoax that Nifong seized upon.
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Then they need to get off their lazy butts and move someplace where they can be a factory worker, or else take steps to make their employment skills more desirable in Durham. It's nobody's fault but their own.
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