UFO Strikes Train

NUFORC ^ | 05/15/2006

[MichaelP]

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Occurred : 1/14/2002 02:47 (Entered as : 01/14/02 2:47) Reported: 4/3/2006 11:51:27 AM 11:51 Posted: 5/15/2006 Location: Paintsville, KY Shape: Disk Duration:15 minutes
Train Collision At exactly 2:47 a.m. on Jan. 14 02, while working a coal train enroute from Russell Kentucky to Shelbiana Kentucky, our trailing unit and first two cars were severely damaged as we struck an unknown floating or hovering object. I know it was 2:47 because my watch froze, and to this day shows that time. Along with my watch the entire electrical systems on both locomotives went haywire. Approaching a bend near milepost cmg 42 in an area referred to as the wild kingdom, for the many different types of animals spotted there, my conductor and I saw lights coming from around the way. This ordinarily means another train is coming and will pass on the other track. The outlay of the area is this, the river, #1 track, #2 track and a straight up mountainside, carved out for the laying of these tracks. I killed our lights as not to blind the oncoming crew. As we rounded the corner our onboard computer began to flash in and out, speed recorder went nuts, and both locomotives died. Alarm bells began to ring and thats when we saw the objects. Apparently scanning the river for something, the objects, (at least 3) had several "search" lights trained there, the first object hovered about 10 to 12 feet above the track. Metallic silver in color with multiple colored lights near the bottom and in the middle, no windows or openings of any kind that we could see. Approximately 18 to 20 feet in length and probably ten feet high. With both engines dead as we rounded the corner we made little noise and the first object did not respond in time, I estimate that we hit the object at 30 mph with 16,000 trailing tons behind us. It clipped the top of our lead unit then skipped back slicing a chunk out of our trailing unit and first two coal cars. The other objects vanished into thin air. Our emergency brakes had initiated due to the loss of power and we stopped approximately a mile and a half to two miles after impact. Our power restored after we were stopped and we notified our dispatcher, located in Jacksonville Fla. of what had happened. We were told to inspect the cars to see if they'd hold the rail and try to limp into milepost cmg 60 which used to be the Paintsville yard which is no longer in full operation. We checked everything out and the cab of the rear locomotive was demolished and smoking, the second two cars looked as if they had been hit with a giant hammer but looked like they'd hold the rail. We pulled into Paintsville yard at approximately 5:15 am. The huge overhead lights lining the yard were noticeably dark and the only lights came from what we assumed were railroad officials vehicles parked near the end of the track. We pulled to a stop and began unloading our grips off the wounded train. We could hear what sounded like an army of workers immediately tending to our train. Vehicle doors slamming, guys running by in weird outfits and lights glaring from all directions, the one thing missing was railroad officials. A guy named Ferguson shook my hand and asked me to follow him into the old yard office. We did, once inside they, and by they I mean I have no idea who these people were, began to ask us hundreds of questions, they then told us for our own protection we'd be medically tested before we could leave. I asked repeatedly to talk to my road foreman or trainmaster and not only were these requests denied but they confiscated my conductors cellular phone. Hours later we were led outside the old yard office and the strange things continued to happen, the 2 locomotives and two cars were removed from the rest of the train we had brought in and my only guess was parked 4 tracks over under a huge tent like structure buzzing with activity. We were lead off property and told due to national security our silence on this matter would be appreciated. We were then put in a Railroad vehicle and taken to Martin Kentucky were we went throgh questioning again with railroad officials and were then drug tested. After all of this we were sent on to Shelbiana, where we took rest for 8 hours and worked another train back to Russell. Working back we passed by Paintsville, no sign of the engines, cars, tent, people, nothing. ((COMMENT/ADDENDUM FROM VISITOR TO NUFORC SITE, MAY 16, 2006)) For what it's worth, as a railfan I can say the terminology/slang the witness is using is accurate and how he describes the train's reaction seems likely. Since he says his dispatcher is in Jacksonville, FL, I can tell it happened on CSX. You might want to ask him about that and if he remembers the unit numbers or model. Locomotives last between 15-20 years unless they are totally demolished in a wreck. That means the units involved are most likely still in service and can, perhaps, be examined. Another FWIW would be the Portland, OR, railcams that operate 24/7 with some sky in the views. I doubt that they archive their feed but you never know. ((END ADDENDUM))

[rock58seg]

I'm Not. I just want those who cliam they do exist to offer more proof than goes into a typical Urban Legend. Or is the word of a friend of a friend's, nephew's grandma sufficient for you? Along with a Phuzzy Photoshop print of some inderterminate lights.

[Quix]

Lots of people try to substitute brazen personhood insults for hard research. I can understand that.

But it doesn't count for much, with me.

[Quix]

Proof? I'm just here for the show. I was just wondering why it was so important to you to prove they don't exist.
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My best shrink's guess would be . . . horrid insecurity at the prospect of one's world view and cosmology crashing to the ground in tiny shattered shards.

[rock58seg]

I have noticed that neither Hard? research nor Hard facts are any part of your argument. But cary on. TaTa

[aruanan]

Since there are no real UFO's it is not possible to fear them. Only the level of derangement of those who claim to have seen them while sober.

Better do a little thinking there, fella. And use complete sentences while you're at it.

[Quix]

I have noticed that neither Hard? research nor Hard facts are any part of your argument. But cary on. TaTa

WRONG AGAIN! Is it really that much FUN being so brazenly, cheekily wrong?

Evidently you missed the stuff about biophysicist's W. C. Levengood's peer reviewed stuff in the scholarly peer reviewed journals

Physiologia Plantarum

and in the American

Journal of Scientific Exploration.

(Vol. 9, No. 2, Pages 191-199) re the hard researched evidence of:

"So far, no one has refuted his hypothesis that spinning plasma vortices containing microwaves, magnetic fields and electric fields produced by charge separation in plasma form the complex energy systems that create the crop formations."

. . .

"In a 1995 paper entitled "Semi-Molten Meteoric Iron Associated with A Crop Formation" published in the Journal of Scientific Exploration [ref above], Levengood and his research colleague, John Burke, wrote: 'Out of a four year investigation of plant tissues taken from over eighty crop formations, located within five countries, we report data from a single sample set which indicates a 'close encounter,' between the complex forces producing these flattened circular type formations and meteoric material from the atmosphere."

"Both soil chunks and plant tissue taken from specific regions within a 1993 wheat crop formation in Cherhill, Wiltshire, England, exhibited a high degree of magnetic susceptibility which originated within adherent coatings consisting of the commingled iron oxides, hematite (Fe2O2) and magnetite (FeO4) fused into a heterogeneous mass, and having the properties of a 'magnetic glaze.' The makeup of this material appears to be of meteoric origin and apparently impacted the ground while in the semi-molten state. Presence of meteoric material adhering to both soil and plant tissues, casts considerable doubt on this being an artificially prepared or 'hoaxed' formation."

Just in case it was missed . . . the 'magnetic glaze' is rather HARD. It's considerably harder than the denial fantasies so many naysayers have about such facts.

Here's another bit under some of the photos in the book by Linda Moulton Howe: MYSTERIOIUS LIGHTS AND CROP CIRCLES p 250:

"The wheat leaf at Cherhill was not damaged by this molton iron deposit because of the Liedenfrost effect. Suddenly heated leaves can release steam through their stomata that creates a protective layer between the leaf and whatever warm substance touches them. In this case, it was the deposit of semi-molten meteoric iron particles."

And on p 253:

"Since his Cherhill paper, Levengood has found high concentrations of magnetic iron in many other crop formations, occasionally more than 700 times higher concentrations than the normal 0.4 milligrams of magnetite per gram of soil. Soil samples continue to confirm distribution by centrifugal spinning force."

Qx note: The orbs of light often seen in crop circles being formed are typically perceived to be spinning, as I understand it. Common additional hard evidence has to do with plant nodes.

p 258

"In one of Levengood's English case files, he had photographs of stretched and reoriented growth nodes and expulsion cavities found in the wheat formation at Stanton St. Bernard on June 22, 1999. He stressed that 'the energy causing node expansion appears to have microwave components whereas the energy inducing growth enhancement in the seeds has electrophoretic properties.' Electrophoresis is the motion of charged particles, especially colloidal properties, through a relatively stationary liquid under the influence of an applied elecric field."

photo caption on the same page:

"Stanton St. Bernard, Wiltshire, formation discovered June 22, 1999, in wheat field. Apical upper nodes were lengthened and reoriented. Penultimate nodes further down the stems had expulsion cavities. Both effects have been simulated by Levengood by putting control plants in microwave ovens for a few seconds."

But, hey, I realize that hard evidence is not likely to be any better received than soft evidence. Folks just do not appreciate having their cosmology rattled, regardless of the facts.

[Quix]

I wonder if you caught physicist Stanton Friedman on last night. He noted that in a significant survey of engineers and scientists--2/3rds fo them believe in UFO's.

And, he cited another study done by scientists and engineers picked strictly because of their neutrality on the topic, the group concluded that of the cases offered, I think it was 37% could not be explained by conventional means.

Nice that even scientists are stepping a bit more up to the plate and admitting, reporting the facts instead of the disinformation.

[Quix]

Only the level of derangement of those who claim to have seen them while sober. --rock58seg
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Thanks. BTW, aruanan.

Some folks think I'm significantly mentally healthier than the average bear. Of course, some don't! LOL.

As a shrink, this phenomena of so many folks buying into the derisive disinformation efforts of the powers that be is fascinating. All the more so because usually the most shrill amongst them tend to be the folks pontificating the loudest about "hard evidence" sorts of issues. And, usually rather stereotypically, narrowly, virtually mindlessly so. Very curious. Very paradoxical. Sad, really.

It's almost like critical thinking goes absolutely out the window while trying to couch their thoughts in the language of critical thinking without anything truly sharply critical being involved. Interesting.

[Quix]

Since there are no real UFO's it is not possible to fear them.
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Given that I'm 100% certain that you have not personally examined all the cases around the world in even the slightest detail . . . first hand . . .

The above is obviously a BRAZEN statement of faith, belief, even fantasy.

[Quix]

You are persistently a charitable voice of sound reason and civil perspective. I could learn more from you than seems to be my habit! Sigh. LOL.

Thanks.

[Quix]

Or is the word of a friend of a friend's, nephew's grandma sufficient for you?
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Perhaps you are labeling me a liar? Thankfully, I'm not. Nor is my relative. Pretending otherwise does not change the facts. My relative is a close relative--primary, direct blood relationship. The above characterization is untrue as well as unkind and cheeky.

[rock58seg]

Perhaps you are labeling me a liar? Thankfully, I'm not. Nor is my relative. Pretending otherwise does not change the facts. My relative is a close relative--primary, direct blood relationship. The above characterization is untrue as well as unkind and cheeky.

What facts? You have offered none

Of course I would not call you a liar. I believe you believe averything you say. Therein lies the problem. pointing out the truth of no UFO proofs is not unkind, no matter how much the truth hurts.

As to your relative, You will have to judge his veracity, as you apparently have. If he also believes what you are saying he does,
Do you see each other more than on visiting days?

[rock58seg]

Oh My! I have stirred a hornets nest.

How can anyone ignore facts not presented?

Go in peace, whatever, the color of the sky is, where you are.

[CindyDawg]

Some things people "just know" If space aliens show up though they better have visas. I'm not paying any more taxes for their health care and housing.

[rock58seg]

Good for You.

Here is the result of a net search at the Smithsonian:

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[Quix]

What facts? You have offered none

Interesting that you include all the facts--peer reviewed facts in a scientific journal . . . as well as those mentioned by physicist Stanton Friedman as "none."

What a fascinating denial of reality.

Of course I would not call you a liar. I believe you believe averything you say. Therein lies the problem. pointing out the truth of no UFO proofs is not unkind, no matter how much the truth hurts.

I'm not the least bit hurt by the facts or the truth. My God and my cosmology handles the whole of reality rather well. Sorry about those for whom that's not true.

As to your relative, You will have to judge his veracity, as you apparently have. If he also believes what you are saying he does, Do you see each other more than on visiting days?

More charity! What a surprise. /s

Denial of facts coupled with hostile, smug, haughty, self-righteous, arrogant insults. Fascinating phenomena.

[Quix]

My impression is that our side is quite at peace.

It's the poor folks who's cosmologies and constructions on reality are so threatened with their psychologies thereby so evidently insecure who seem so un-at-peace and so compulsively driven to smug insults.

[Quix]

Now that is cute. Very cute. I can't think of a logical reason why anyone WELL READ ON THE TOPIC would expect the Smithsonian to have any such artifacts. Sounds like more denial and being out-of-touch with reality in terms of the realities of the topic.

Evidently some readers are also unaware of the findings of the archeological dig at the Roswell site. Wherein multiple different laboratories noted that the bits of debris did not match known alloys etc.

Then there's the realities involved with SOME of the implant retrievals.

Fascinating the degree of ignorance and denial coupled with ABSOLUTIST statements. Curious.

[Quix]

I suppose one possibility is that

IF

a poster sounds like a 'powers-that-be' disinformation shill, they COULD be a disinformation puppet. Though I think they usually SOUND MUCH MORE erudite and . . . mature in their assertions, somehow.

I think it's very funny now that it's come to light what I'd assumed all along--that what's his farce . . . Carl Sagan was a government disinformation debunker employee. LOL.

[rock58seg]

So I did a further Google and Yahoo search for alien world artifacts and found.... : speculation about plant nodes.

Whoop di doo.

Aha! From the Monty Python movie, " Bring to me a shrubbery" now takes on a greater significance mayhaps?

Still no artifacts.
Why would you consider the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum as a non authority? I would trust them sooner than you are your dear cherished family member.