Posted on 08/20/2006 5:37:25 AM PDT by Rte66
For your bookmarking assistance, this is a reference list of links to the Aug 2006 or newer Free Republic threads on the topic of the JonBenet Ramsey murder case and the possible arrest of John Mark Karr as a suspect in her murder.
Translation...six and Dead
That goes with the SBTC concept (Shall Be The Conqueror). I brought SBTC up to 1996.
Student, Bevill, Teacher, Conquerer.
He was a student at Bevill from Nov of 1996 to Feb of 1997.
But if Daxis is backwards, maybe SBTC should be viewed backwards?
Cripes, more mind-boggling!! I have laundry up to the ceiling!!
Regardless, the yearbook and the ransom note have the same certain tone at many points and the extraordinary use of exclamation points...and they both elicit the concept of "revenge".
Thanks for clearing the date on that video up...Fox has been showing it all day with a *wedding video* caption...
Dueling handwriting experts - woohoo.
O'Reilly has on a guy who says his handwriting guy is certain Patsey wrote the ransom note, and at the exact same time Nancy Grace has on a guy who says he thinks Karr's handwriting is entirely consistent with the ransom note.
Yeah, yeah hate me for watching Nancy - but she knows this case inside and out. If you can get past the hairdo of the week she's actually pretty damn good at what she does. I liked her on CourtTV - I still do.
Doubt if ANYONE would go to the extreme, but it would be one heck of defense...to say he was actually gay. He'd get a whole boat load of free support from THAT community. The ACLU, or whatever group the radical gay community uses, would be all over this.
IMO, it is a way (half sex change) to get to the young girls without suspicion. It's even more sick then an outright male pervert. At least a girl/woman would know when to run from a male....JM Karr could have a girl trapped somewhere and it'd be too late.
Karr had facial hair removed; theory of sex change surgery hazy
By Ann Imse, Rocky Mountain News
August 21, 2006
BANGKOK, Thailand — The strange tale of John Mark Karr’s exploration of sex-change surgery took another twist Monday when one Bangkok doctor publicly supported the tale and another denied he ever had verified it.
Dr. Settharkarn Attakonpan said he and his technicians gave four laser treatments to the accused killer of JonBenet Ramsay in recent months to kill the roots of some of his facial hair. He said that Karr wanted the procedure because he was beginning hormone treatments to become a woman.
However, Attakonpan, a medical doctor and dermatologist, said that when he saw Karr March 9, he saw no sign of the physical changes that hormone treatments would produce.
He did not see Karr again. His technicians handled the next three treatments, ending in July. Attakonpan also said he's seen men get their beard hairs removed for other reasons, such as simply being too lazy to shave.
Meanwhile, Dr. Thep Vechavisit, a plastic surgeon and well-known sex-change doctor at the Pratunam Polyclinic, denied that he told the Associated Press on Sunday that Karr was his patient. Vechavisit said he would never reveal the identity of a patient or any details of his medical history.
An upset Vechavisit then turned to the Internet and pulled up a story from the New York Daily News that said "records indicate" Karr had work done at Vechavisit’s clinic. The newspaper can't possibly know, he said.
Vechavisit first insisted he had not revealed any such records and that he had not looked up Karr in his records. Then he detailed how Thai police might have found such a record in Karr’s belongings.
Karr paid 15,000 baht, the equivalent of $417 to have facial hair removed by laser in Attakonpan's spotless operating room in four slow procedures. But he was allegedly considering having a significant amputation and reconstructive sex-change surgery done for $1,625 in just three hours, by Vechavisit in a seedy storefront where paint peels off the walls in sheets, and prosthetic breasts and magazines are piled high on every surface of the faded chintz and wicker furniture of his jammed and dirty consulting room.
The allegations of a sex change surgery began with the New York Daily News reporting that it obtained phone records from Karr’s guesthouse, which show he made nine calls to facilities with cosmetic surgeons. That raised the possibility that Karr was seeking to change his appearance rather than his sex.
One Daily News story called Karr "the creep who confessed to killing JonBenet Ramsey" and said he had "another bizarre secret up his sleeve."Another called him a "solitary fiend" and "a perv with many faces."
Vechavisit said it is conceivable that Karr was one of the many people who call in response to his regular ad in the English-language Bangkok Post. But "most of the people who call us never show up," he said.
He also does all kinds of plastic surgery, so a phone call would be no indication that Karr had called about a sex change, he said.
But then he pulled out a wallet card that he gives to patients after they come in for a consultation. It contains a tiny notation of the person’s diagnosis, and a list of appointments as they are made. If Karr had been a patient, he theorizes, Thai police might have found such a card on him and leaked it to the press.
But if Karr had come into his office looking as masculine as he appeared in recent days, Vechavisit said he would have refused to do the surgery. That’s because most of his patients "are on hormone therapy for 10 years before they come here" for the surgery, he said. By the time they are seeking his help, the hormones have already softened the skin, reduced its gooseskin texture, shrunk muscles and reduced arm hair, he said.
"Most transvestites dress and work as a woman from when they are very young," he said. "And once you have lived like this for five or ten years, then you can have surgery. If you come in like this" — pointing to a man in the room — "you can’t do it."
In fact, it’s very rare for him to even see a man who dresses like a man seeking sex-change surgery, he said.
But across the packed streets of downtown Bangkok, Attakonpan is equally certain that Karr told him he wanted his facial hair roots burned out with a laser in preparation for a sex change. That notation is even scribbled in Attakonpan’s handwriting in Karr’s chart.
"He wanted to prepare himself for such a change," said Attakonpan, who runs the Siam Swan cosmetic clinic. "I think he already had a doctor in this field," he said, but then added that he was not sure that Karr had actually seen the physician as of March.
The dermatologist said Karr was quiet and serious but very exacting about how and where he wanted the work done on his facial hair — slowly, gently, and stopping when it hurt too much. Karr called him obsessive-compulsive about it, then backtracked and toned down the description to ‘perfectionist."
Karr had his hair follicles burned off only in the area of the sideburns, down his cheeks and under his chin, Attakonpan said. He didn’t know why Karr left alone other areas of his face, including mustache and chin.
link to last post
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4932697,00.html
From the yearbook: "Sometimes, so blurred by my own eyes, I've seen the best things come and go simultaneously".
While in Thailand, Suwart said the suspect described the encounter (crime) as a "blur".
Both imply crying and something bad.......and they're more than twenty years apart.
How many killers would describe the crime as "a blur"?
Wonder if he used the word/term "blur" in any of his other correspondence.
One thing that none of the handwriting experts ever tell anyone, because it's impossible to measure, is how many of the people in the world, or just the US, happen to make their letters some certain way.
If they are the experts and analyze thousands of handwriting or printing exemplars every day, week, year, why haven't they kept some kind of database or made a survey of the styles?
They might say that putting the cap on the lower-case "a" is unusual, for example. Well, how do we know it's unusual? In comparison to what perentage of all the people who write is it unusual?
Same with the squiggly "l" they showed - same in ransom note as in Karr's yearbook signature. OK, what if 85% or 99% of people make squiggly l's? Then what?
Oh, and they're acting like the lower-case "e" in each sample is something extraordinary in its formation. It's just a cursive "e" interspersed with printing. There may be hundreds of 1000s of people who switch back and forth between printing and cursive and would form their "e" the same way, sometimes because it's easier to connect with the next letter and not have to lift the pen or pencil.
It's what they *don't say* that's often important.
Ha ha, ET added that John Mark "caught the bouquet."
I took the "blur" he used to describe the crime (which we only have from the Thai cop who misunderstands things sometimes, as we have seen) meaning it "went by too fast."
Are you watching Nancy Grace...she has the girl who owns this yearbook........her handwriting expert says this is a match...
Karr family attorney will be releasing a family x-mas photo tomorrow.....only the three boys are in it...John is not.....but attorney stated that John never was absent for any x-mases...
Okay...He was taking the ONLY family picture of that Christmas.
I was afraid of that. The dad usually does take the pix. He showed in the family videos at least once that he didn't like having his own picture taken.
He didn't seem to mind if he was performing, but not just informal home shots taken by a friend.
I'm not too concerned either way with the Christmas 1996 photos - it would've been a long shot if they *did* luck out and have some with him in them. Also good is that the stair-step children's photos will show their ages.
No, I'm not watching - don't have cable. No comment on the so-called handwriting experts.
Three more questions:
13.) Why was a swiss army knife, one hidden in the linen closet near Jonbenet's bedroom by the housekeeper (she took it from Burke and hid it there), found in the basement near the body? Who else but Patsy would have known the knife was hidden in bed sheets in the linen closet? [The housekeeper testified to the Grand Jury that only she herself knew about the knife]. Could this knife had been used to cut the ligature rope?
14.) Why was a barbie doll nightgown still clinging to the sheet wrapped around Jonbenet's body, if it hadn't just been removed from the dryer? Who else but Patsy would have known it was there?
15.) Why were the normal linens used on Jonbenet's bed ('normal' in the sense that the Ramsey housekeeper knew them to be) in the dryer the morning of the ransom note? Why was Jonbenet's bed made up with alternate bedding?
It's gets weirder and weirder.
Handwriting expert says a match with...a's, e's, t's, d's and l's......lol
15 questions that remain unaswered. Whatever happened in that house, serious deception was going on within the Ramsey family:
1.) Patsy and Burke's fingerprints were all over the bowl of pineapple which we know was the last thing Jonbenet ate. The bowl was taken down from a high shelf. If not taken down by Patsy or the intruder, then who? [pineapple was the last food she ate, according to pathologists and only Patsy's and Burkes fingerprints were on the bowl]
2.) How did Patsy's jacket fibers end up entwined in the ligature, on the inside of the tape that covered jonbenet's mouth, and ALSO in the paint tray from which the stick to make the ligature was used? She said she never wore that jacket down there.
3.) Why, according to pathologists, was the tape put over Jonbenet's mouth AFTER she died? [According to pathologists, there are characteristic indications on the inside of the tape when a person is still alive]
4.) Why were both Patsy and John apparently wearing the same clothes they had on the night before? Patsy said she got dressed BEFORE she found the note, so would a hurried dressing explain that?
5.) Why did Patsy claim that Burke was asleep during the morning of the discovery of the ransom note when he was clearly heard on the 911 tape? What did he mean by saying "but what did I do" and "but what did you find"? Why did she then let him sleep until 9 that morning in his own bed, when they had planned to all be up by 6, on such a traumatic day? Was Burke really, really tired?
6.) Why was a 45 lb. girl dragged?
7.) The coroner pinned her time of death very close to 10 p.m. How did an intruder, by virtue of the theory, botch a kidnapping (and thus write a long, 3 page rambling note), THEN kill her all between about 10:30 and 11 p.m. that night? By all appearances of forensics, the note was written after she died, not before. That defies the intruder theory. Even if he was already in the house when they got home he would have had to kill jonbenet at about the same time they walked in the door.
8.) What type of blow to the head would an intruder likely put on the child's head that would not create a laceration? An intruder in the bathtub? Why?
9.) Why was the fact that Burke and his friend both testified that Burke owned a pair of Hi-Tec boots never given any play in the MSM? Why did Patsy and John deny that he owned them, only to confess that he did when confronted with Burke's testimony (actually, "affiant")?
10.) When were the supposed stun gun marks made on Jonbenet's body? Do we really know if they were delivered on the night she was murdered? How would we? Were they really stun gun marks? [They never made a positive determination because they didn't investigate that at autopsy].
11.) Who called 911 from the Ramsey home 3 days before her murder then didn't speak and hung up? Why did a return call 6 minutes later result in an answering machine response? Why were the police told when they responded that all was well?
12.) Why did both the flashlight, which was sitting prominently on the kitchen island, and the baseball bat have no fingerprints on them whatever? Did any of the Ramseys ever touch either?
13.) Why was a swiss army knife, one hidden in the linen closet near Jonbenet's bedroom by the housekeeper (she took it from Burke and hid it there), found in the basement near the body? Who else but Patsy would have known the knife was hidden in bed sheets in the linen closet? [The housekeeper testified to the Grand Jury that only she herself knew about the knife]. Could this knife had been used to cut the ligature rope?
14.) Why was a barbie doll nightgown still clinging to the sheet wrapped around Jonbenet's body, if it hadn't just been removed from the dryer? Who else but Patsy would have known it was there?
15.) Why were the normal linens used on Jonbenet's bed ('normal' in the sense that the Ramsey housekeeper knew them to be) in the dryer the morning of the ransom note? Why was Jonbenet's bed made up with alternate bedding?
That's too much basic forensic evidence to ignore, regardless of what we may conjecture about how the Ramseys thought or what they would have done in x or y situations.
Here is another leak...
There have also been reports that Karr wrote Tracey and told investigators about details of the crime that only the killer could know.
He reportedly wrote about a check stub on John Ramsey's desk in the amount of $118,000. Karr also knew specific details about the basement where JonBenet Ramsey was killed.
http://cbs4denver.com/crime/local_story_233105148.html (more at link)
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