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JonBenet Ramsey Murder Case SuspectFR Thread Roundup
Free Republic ^ | August 16-20, 2006 | FReepers

Posted on 08/20/2006 5:37:25 AM PDT by Rte66

For your bookmarking assistance, this is a reference list of links to the Aug 2006 or newer Free Republic threads on the topic of the JonBenet Ramsey murder case and the possible arrest of John Mark Karr as a suspect in her murder.


TOPICS: Local News; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: captainhighpants; daxis; fatherdidit; freakazoid; jamieharmon; jmkjbr; johnmarkkarr; jonbenet; karr; ladyboypedophile; patiencevanzandt; patsyrestinpeace; pedophile; ramsey; ramseyonthelam; roundup; thailand; wendyhutchens; wrongguy
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To: stlnative; Rte66

Do you have a ping list yet?


2,561 posted on 08/27/2006 9:32:17 PM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: hoosiermama

Yes, the one I have been using for the daily updates on links to FR threads about the case - until today, when there weren't any.

I had posted yesterday lots of back links to the TV interview transcripts this week, but that was filler because of the modified gag order that went into effect and my anticipating not much coverage for a while.


2,562 posted on 08/27/2006 9:43:18 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: stlnative

TY! That is reassuring.


2,563 posted on 08/27/2006 9:50:45 PM PDT by Kylie_04 (not consuming liquids while posting since 2006)
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To: Rte66

Will you please add me to the ping list - whatever form it takes?? Thanks again!


2,564 posted on 08/27/2006 9:51:32 PM PDT by Kylie_04 (not consuming liquids while posting since 2006)
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To: Rte66

OK - well that would make more sense then. I think I need to do some reading up on the current DNA testing technology. Maybe after my morning coffee!


2,565 posted on 08/27/2006 9:53:52 PM PDT by Kylie_04 (not consuming liquids while posting since 2006)
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To: oceanview

Yes - actually yesterday was the first time I had seen much of the PR writing at all. I went searching for anything I could find and was amazed at the amount of stuff that was out there. I agree with your "stunning" analysis.


2,566 posted on 08/27/2006 9:56:16 PM PDT by Kylie_04 (not consuming liquids while posting since 2006)
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To: Kylie_04

Done deal!


2,567 posted on 08/27/2006 10:08:13 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: Kylie_04

I'm not a handwriting expert but looking at the comparisons, especially the left hand sample, I can't find any substantive differences at all. They look identical. The only difference, perhaps, is that the ransom note looks a little more 'nervous' than the sample provided by PR.


2,568 posted on 08/27/2006 10:11:30 PM PDT by ableLight
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To: All

Here is the story in the Petaluma paper about Karr going to Boulder with his family in 2000, when he moved there.

http://www1.pressdemocrat.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060827/NEWS/608270304/1033/NEWS01

There's also a story about Wendy Hutchens, the one who tape-recorded her convo's with him. Here:

http://www1.pressdemocrat.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060827/NEWS/608270328/1033/NEWS01


2,569 posted on 08/27/2006 10:21:40 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: All

Ha ha - scroll down to the comments on the first story I linked to in the Petaluma paper.

Rove found Karr, yes he did - the moonbats said so!


2,570 posted on 08/27/2006 10:30:16 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: Rte66

are you filling out this stuff on wiki? :-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mark_Karr

Break in JonBenét case
Months before Karr's deportation, the Boulder District Attorney's office received copies of the suspect's emails from University of Colorado journalism professor Michael Tracey, who received the emails from a person with the email address "December251996 at yahoo.com". December 25, 1996, was the date of JonBenét's murder. At least one of the emails was signed with the signature "Daxis". The tracking of the author began sometime in June 2006.[41]

Armed with the email address and Internet provider, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) determined the general location of the suspect in Thung Maha Mek, a neighborhood in Bangkok, Thailand. At the time, the suspect's name was not known.[41]

The break in the case came when Karr sent an envelope to Tracey by regular mail with a return address bearing the name of a major throughfare in Bangkok, Thailand, but no number or cross street.[41] Tracey sent Karr another kind of mail – a photograph delivered to a Thai post office box. Agents arranged a controlled delivery and were ready to spot their suspect. The man who arrived to pick up the mail delivery was using a 21-speed bicycle, the purchase of which was mentioned in e-mails sent by the suspect. The agents followed Karr to his residence and learned his name.[42]

On August 11, 2006, they notified ICE officials, and from that point on, Karr was placed under surveillance by Thai immigration officials.[41] A sealed arrest warrant, signed by Boulder County District Judge Roxanne Bailin,[43] was sent by the Boulder District Attorney's office to officials in Thailand on August 15, 2006. The next day, upon receipt of the warrant, Thai immigration authorities revoked Karr's visa.[41]



2,571 posted on 08/27/2006 10:58:29 PM PDT by stlnative (WARNING my post is most likely full of poor spelling & bad grammar which are all free of charge!)
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To: ableLight

Right...the only thing that gives me just a tad bit of pause on this part is this: If I think I am being accused of writing the RN and am asked to provide samples to the police and let's assume I did actually write the RN...I am pretty sure I could fudge a little on the samples so it wouldn't look the same - even with my non dominant hand...I don't know - wouldn't ya think?? Maybe she just didn't think of that?


2,572 posted on 08/27/2006 11:01:06 PM PDT by Kylie_04 (not consuming liquids while posting since 2006)
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To: Rte66

moonbats!

aren't DUer's moonbats?


2,573 posted on 08/27/2006 11:05:22 PM PDT by stlnative (WARNING my post is most likely full of poor spelling & bad grammar which are all free of charge!)
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To: Rte66

DAXIS also mean Dual AXIS, it is a computer related term


2,574 posted on 08/27/2006 11:07:49 PM PDT by stlnative (WARNING my post is most likely full of poor spelling & bad grammar which are all free of charge!)
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To: Kylie_04

That's exactly what I was thinking. I'm amazed that someone would do that and NOT expect a handwriting match to be made later. But, for the sake of discussion, let's say PR is culpable. Then we can see several mistakes on her part:

1.) wearing clothing that witnesses had seen her wearing the evening before while tying the ligature together
2.) using a swiss army knife when she didn't know how it got where it was
3.) leaving the pineapple and tea glass on the table and not cleaning it up
4.) not accounting for the pineapple that would appear in JBR's system at autopsy
5.) The numerous mistakes in the RN itself indicating this was NOT really a kidnapping
6.) leaving underwear on JBR that was size 12
7.) wiping fingerprints from the flashlight which was NOT necessary
8.) leaving a chair in the hallway in the basement and the lights on; indicating activity in the basement which an innocent parent would have noticed if caused by an intruder
9.) placing tape on the child's mouth AFTER she expired
10.) not cleaning up urine on the floor outside the cellar room; indicating place of death of JBR
11.) leaving sheets in dryer in basement which should have been put BACK on JBR's bed
12.) violating the victim with a paintbrush, indicating possibility of deception by perpetrator
13.) showing TOO much interest in gory details of her daughters death afterward; most innocent parents would never talk about such things publicly
14.) latching the 'secret' lock on the cellar room door which an intruder would arguable not know of
15.) claiming that the doors to the house were locked that night; forcing explanation for intruder ingress via a basement window that would almost certainly have left fiber or other evidence
16.) leaving JBR's room in same disarray that it actually was in that night - indicated that death did not occur there b/c if it had it would have been straightened up. If promoting intruder theory, deceiver would be best served by altering disarray to support that view. In contrast, disarray we see is random. For deception purposes, the best thing to do would have been to straighten the room up.
17.) not changing clothes before witnesses arrived at her house

The list could go on as the mountain of forensics and physical evidence is substantial, but the thing I noticed here is that IF PR was involved, this shows a pattern of unsophisticated criminal behavior. I'm guessing that's all the 'un-fudged' RN was, just yet another error in the larger plan.


2,575 posted on 08/27/2006 11:34:31 PM PDT by ableLight
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To: ableLight

Correction on 16

"16.) leaving JBR's room in same disarray that it actually was in that night - indicated that death did not occur there b/c if it had it would have been straightened up. If promoting intruder theory, deceiver would be best served by altering disarray to support that view. In contrast, disarray we see is random. For deception purposes, the best thing to do would have been to straighten the room up."

Deceiver is best served by straightening room up b/c adding evidence of intruder tampering with room increases imponderables that could point to deception. Straightening room up leaves detective w/ no useful information.


2,576 posted on 08/27/2006 11:40:59 PM PDT by ableLight
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To: stlnative

Not I. It was all in several articles that were probably posted here.

I just simplified it from memory - and see, I got some details wrong. Although, I think wiki might be wrong on what it says in the last part.


2,577 posted on 08/27/2006 11:43:52 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: stlnative

Don't know - never been there. I assume they have a mooncave.


2,578 posted on 08/27/2006 11:45:25 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: ableLight

Not sure where you got #13 - neither of the Ramseys showed any interest at all in how she died or why, which caused most of the suspicion by so many people.

The sexual assault was not discussed by them with police until three years later, when LE made them listen to the findings.


2,579 posted on 08/27/2006 11:50:08 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: ableLight

Also, note that each item wiped clean of fingerprints and of material relevance in the case is a point of deception. The deceiver in this hypothetical is revealing which parts of the scene they are trying to distort. It's very telling.

recall: potato knife, flashlight and it's components, swiss army knife, etc.

The logic of deception is tricky and I think it is why perps often screw that up.


2,580 posted on 08/27/2006 11:56:40 PM PDT by ableLight
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