Posted on 08/20/2006 5:37:25 AM PDT by Rte66
For your bookmarking assistance, this is a reference list of links to the Aug 2006 or newer Free Republic threads on the topic of the JonBenet Ramsey murder case and the possible arrest of John Mark Karr as a suspect in her murder.
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Oh hell you know what I mean - cheers!
Here..let me get ya another margarita. LOL
"I think you're right. One thing that makes me feel that Patsy is innocent is that she didn't change her story to fit these things in."
There are instances where that definitely weighs in her favor, IMO. She sticks to the "duh" answer on pineapple and underwear rather than trying to explain it FOR the cops. I have mixed feelings about the poss. of her guilt; at times she looks truly innocent but unlucky as crap. At other times she appears deceptive. It's confusing.
on the rocks please! (thump)
don't worry I am A-OK!
mark
You're too funny!
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JonBenet, being an independent woman of age 6, said "No!" Somehow, a compreomise was worked out that she could dress herself in what she wanted to. She decided that wearing a white long-sleeve top with a sequined star in the front with the black velvet leggings or pants would be perfect. I *get* the kid logic - white for the Whites.
Patsy said there was also a vest that went with this outfit, which was a Gap ensemble - but I don't know what the vest looked like or if she wore it. I kind of think it might have been the multi-colored sweater seen on the other bed in her room in the crime scene photos, but other posters always said that was too ugly (it was). There was another one that looked like it might be Christmas-y on black background, but no one ever confirmed it.
So, we don't know if she wore the vest, as we've never heard from the Whites publicly. She did not have it on when her body was found - only the white top, the thermal longjohns Patsy said she changed her into while she was asleep from the car trip home from the Whites, and the over-sized Bloomies, size 12-14, with a Wednesday waistband.
JonBenet was *said* to have worn her own size 6 Wednesday Bloomies all evening to the Whites' party. There was no seeming explanation for the big pair she had on. You will often read that the perp "re-dressed" her. I won't go into that, except it might mean 1) perp did the sexual assault and then pullled the panties and pants back up or 2) there was a miscommunication because Patsy originally told LE the little kidnapped "missing" girl had on a red sweater when last seen.
I've always believed the Whites told LE that JBR had on the white star top the evening before and they knew that differed from what Patsy was telling LE about the red top. They even went and got the pix developed to prove it. Still, Patsy might have changed her top when she put her to bed - but to put on a nice sweater? No way.
Then the red turtleneck was found soaking in the sink in the bathroom right outside JBR's bedroom.
OK. Could've all been a mix-up, right? If so, what happened to the size 6 Bloomies she had on when she went to bed and how did the 12-14 Bloomies wind up on JonBenet when she was found murdered?
Patsy explained that away by saying that JonBenet had liked the Bloomies so much that she talked her mom into keeping the cousin's package, too, for herself. I guess to grow into in a few years! Then Patsy claimed that when she fumbled around in the dark for some pajama bottoms to put on JBR the night before, feeling in her dresser drawer without turning on the lights, so as not to wake her up, that she just grabbed the wrong pair of undies.
All right. First of all, JBR's undies weren't kept in the bedroom dresser drawer, they were kept in the bathroom, outside the bedroom. Second of all, the cleaning lady said she never saw the 2nd unopened Bloomies package of underwear, only the little size 6's JonBenet wore that night and hadn't worn before. Third, how did Patsy, in the dark, manage to grab the Wednesday panties, which were the Christmas Day appropriate day? Out of a brand-new package of panties, no less?
She explained it that JonBenet had dressed herself and probably had them on all night. JonBenet couldn't read, much less read the cursive "Wednesday" on the waistband. One of the JBR forums has a pic of what the 12-14 size Bloomies would look like on JonBenet.
So, you decide what happened here.
I do recall from another report that the panties JBR had on said "Wednesday" on the waistband. That tells me that this one was probably not the *first* panty in the bag. Assuming that 7 panties with the days of the week on them would have packaged in the order of the days of the week, meaning the "Wednesday" panties were the third pair in the bag.
What that tells me is that there could have been prints on the bag the underwear came in as the bag was opened and then the panty pulled out. Has anyone dusted that bag and who's prints did they find? What about the drawer the panties were in? If the prints are not from JBR on any other member of the Ramseys (or the housekeeper), that could be significant. If the prints are *only* those of the Ramseys, it would be safe to assume that no intruder picked out or put on the panties for her.
if you follow that link regarding the large underwear I sent you, those posters seems to feel that is the key to the case.
and where were the other pairs of size 12s in the package? apparently, they were not found by the forensics team that searched the house?
You already did this? Sheesh. No more brain exercises for me.
JonBenet did still wear Pull-ups when needed. That was another "explanation" for the big panties - Patsy said they were to wear over the Pull-ups sometimes. I forgot about that.
well thanks!
I am just trying to lighten the mood up some.
I was watching my a little of My Blue Heaven (Steve Martin)today at dinner time with my hubby, the movie cracks me up and it put me in a silly mood.
Actually my whole typing and spelling problem is a side effect of a neurological and neuromuscular problem from an accident I had years ago.
As I said before, in 10 years, well, 7 for me, hundreds of us have been over and over and over all of this, ad infinitum.
Saw that, thanks!
No, yours was much better!
Prints on Bloomies' bag? Guess.
The worst that can happen is that an innocent man is convicted of this murder because he is strange, deluded, and because everyone in both the Boulder DA's office and the Boulder jury pool want him to be guilty. They are sick of this case and embarrassed at how it was handled from the beginning.
I think barring any strong, compelling evidence against him, Karr is not guilty, but will be railroaded into a guilty verdict.
Did I understand you to say that there were 2 packages of size 12 bloomies in that house; one near JBR's bedroom and one in the basement? What happened to both of them? Do we know which pair were missing from each package and if they were missing in both or just one?
No prints on the bag or kitchen knife, is that what you're saying?
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