What Does the Fossil Record Show?

Creation or Evolution: Does it Really Matter What You Believe? ^ | 1998 | Various

[BrandtMichaels]

My assumption was in regarding your views as evolution being true. Please accept my apologies if your truth lies with the Bible rather than evolutionary theories. They (the Bible vs Evolution) are not complimentary to each other regardless of numerous folks who post here declaring otherwise...

[Coyoteman]

See #87, above.

[TN4Liberty]

So you have proof that all mammals evolved from this creature. This is a proven fact. Is that your position?

I said "fall down." I should have said "failed to be consistent with their own standards of proof." That is all I am asking for. If you have proof of an original mammal from which all others descended, lets see the proof. If you have a theory that there is one, let's just call it that. Still standing? I think not.

Don't be so condescending please. It makes you sound like quite an ass and does nothing to convince anyone that you are right or to further the conversation. You have only demonstrated that a creature existed that is theorized to be the first mammal (in fact, you suggest several may, which really demonstrates that you don't know and can't demonstrate that there is a single ancestor). You have proven nothing except that you have another theory. If you can't do better than provide a second theory as your proof, you have proven my point. If science isn't about questioning the theory and asking for evidence, what is it?

I have no interest in discussing anything with someone who thinks this is an insult game, so grow up or find someone else to play your games with. I asked a question about the conflicts in your method as stated and as practiced, and you failed to give a reasonable answer, relying on another theory as proof of the first one. Once again, another reason to stay away from threads on this topic, where there is never any light, only heat.

[Just mythoughts]

The TOE is a fairy tale.... a fenced off estate in flesh man's mind. A "process" of thought without the required evidence of heaps and heaps of transitioning bones.

[burroak]

Okay....that's one. How many gazillions to go? I'll learn at the pace you find more species jumps that occurred natually.

You got a lot of finding to do. On you mark, get set,.......

[stormer]

Interesting. With the exception of "Origin of Species" that has some value as an historical work, and perhaps the Science reference (although without reading the cited work I could not say for certain), all of these "references" appear to be nothing more than editorializing. None of them appear to be proper or valid as references for any type of scientific writing.

[Coyoteman]

A "process" of thought without the required evidence of heaps and heaps of transitioning bones.

Transitional? You want a transitional? This is a transitional (a handsome one, too; much nicer than those silly mudskippers or whatever upthread). Note its position in the chart which follows (hint--in the upper center):

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Fossil: KNM-ER 3733

Site: Koobi Fora (Upper KBS tuff, area 104), Lake Turkana, Kenya (4, 1)

Discovered By: B. Ngeneo, 1975 (1)

Estimated Age of Fossil: 1.75 mya * determined by Stratigraphic, faunal, paleomagnetic & radiometric data (1, 4)

Species Name: Homo ergaster (1, 7, 8), Homo erectus (3, 4, 7), Homo erectus ergaster (25)

Gender: Female (species presumed to be sexually dimorphic) (1, 8)

Cranial Capacity: 850 cc (1, 3, 4)

Information: Tools found in same layer (8, 9). Found with KNM-ER 406 A. boisei (effectively eliminating single species hypothesis) (1)

Interpretation: Adult (based on cranial sutures, molar eruption and dental wear) (1)

See original source for notes:
Source: http://www.mos.org/evolution/fossils/fossilview.php?fid=33

Source: http://wwwrses.anu.edu.au/environment/eePages/eeDating/HumanEvol_info.html

[PhilipFreneau]

>>>Judging the quality and gravity of your response here, you're best bet for catching up on the past 150 years (assuming your question here is sincere) is to keep it simple. Maybe Sparks Notes?<<<

Cute. But I was hoping for something a little more specific, such as fossilized or living transitional species.

[Coyoteman]

Okay....that's one. How many gazillions to go? I'll learn at the pace you find more species jumps that occurred natually.

The all occurred naturally, one mutation at a time.

I have already shown that your idea that all mutations are fatal is incorrect. Now all you have to realize is that mutations occur all the time, most are neutral, some benficial, and some fatal. Add lots of individuals in a population and lots of time and you often get species-level changes. Not jumps, but changes over time.

Google "ring species" for one example of this kind of change. This may be easier for you to visualize.

[Just mythoughts]

LOL keep digging maybe you will get 'lucky'.

[Coyoteman]

LOL keep digging maybe you will get 'lucky'.

I don't dig in those old layers. I usually just work with the past 12,000-13,000 years or so.

So, no early hominids, no dinosaurs, just lots of nice Holocene stuff.

[Paine's Ghost]

I was in the Bishop whaling museum in Hawaii. Hanging from the ceiling was a complete skeleton of a whale; not a model. In the hind quarters were small legs bones that normally would not surface past the flesh.

Somethings either coming or going in there.

[Just mythoughts]

The way this earth keeps turning up layers there should be NO problem coming across heaps and heaps of bones to prove without a shadow of a doubt what evolution claims.

Hollywood has nothing on the imagination of evolutionists and both are good with the artwork.

[sirchtruth]

Same with evolution; there is the fact of evolution (change occurs from generation to generation)

Oh, this is a new one!!! So now "change" is evolution? Give it up, and just call it what it really is: The Cult of Evolution.

1:Evolution: A process in which something passes by degrees to a different stage (especially a more advanced or mature stage)

2: (biology) the sequence of events involved in the evolutionary "development" of a species or taxonomic group of organisms.

That doesn't sound like "change" to me it looks more like "higher degree of "developement" (Advances, not just "changes")

Any evolutionist out there want to play with words today?

[Dan(9698)]

...it is strongly believed to be correct and factual

And thus it is the statement of faith of the believers in the religion of evolution.

There is nothing wrong in having a strong belief system, nor in expressing your faith in that belief system. I do it all the time.

The Apostle Paul said that faith is the substance of things not seen. Just because the fossil record does not display what you believe in, does not lessen your faith in the belief system. I accept your faith.

[burroak]

You have no intermediate examples of "over time". Evolution is the religion of the Godless , atheists. It's the only way to explain a universe without a creator. It assuages your lack of faith, but evolutionists take more thing on faith than believers.

[KeepUSfree]

Marxism isn't a scientific theory. IT is a philosophy or political belief....NOT a theory.

It gets tiring arguing with folks who, frankly, have no clue as to how or what science is. I blame it on the schools.

[Matchett-PI]

Your church (one of the spin-offs of Herbert W. Armstrong's cult) rejects many of the core doctrines of the historic Christian religion, doesn't it? For instance, you reject the Trinity doctrine believing that the Holy Spirit isn't God.

[Coyoteman]

Same with evolution; there is the fact of evolution (change occurs from generation to generation)...

Oh, this is a new one!!! So now "change" is evolution? Give it up, and just call it what it really is: The Cult of Evolution.

1:Evolution: A process in which something passes by degrees to a different stage (especially a more advanced or mature stage)

2: (biology) the sequence of events involved in the evolutionary "development" of a species or taxonomic group of organisms.

That doesn't sound like "change" to me it looks more like "higher degree of "developement" (Advances, not just "changes")

Wonderful quote mining!

You did a google search for "define:evolution" and selected the first two that came up. You should have kept reading, as the third was:

In the life sciences, evolution is a change in the traits of living organisms over generations, including the emergence of new species. Since the development of modern genetics in the 1940s, evolution has been defined more specifically as . In other fields evolution is used more generally to refer to any process of change over time.

That pretty much confirms what I said, doesn't it?

By the way, no cults here. You just disagree, for religious reasons, with the results of evolution so you do everything you can to disparage that field in particular and science in general.

You should be honest and admit your disagreements are religious, not scientific, in nature.

[Dan(9698)]

I blame it on the schools.

Actually it is the teachers.

The schools don't teach much.