Posted on 07/15/2006 10:48:32 AM PDT by Xing Daorong
I don't understand, some people say that Islam is responsible for terrorism today, rather than those who manipulate and perversely interpret Islam to further their murderous aims.
Islam is so similiar to Christianity that there isn't even a point to it, every quote showing "Judeao-Christian hatred" can be logically explained by anyone who has read the Quran.
We have groups like Muslims for Bush (now Muslims for America) a primarily Republican group of American muslims supporting the War on Terror.
Relative newbie, not a troll. Check out his posting history.
Exactly.
Well said. Check out my post at number 15. I do think moderate Muslims need to visibly and vocally take back their faith from the extremists, however.
Their relative silence only encourages the radically anti-Islamic folks, and spooks other moderates. And also, pretending that there isn't serious problems with Islam today is just ridiculous. It does have serious problems, and these need to be dealt with by Muslims, noone else.
That being said, not all Muslims are terrorists, or sharia-advocating extremists, and pretending that all Muslims are like that is only likely to swell the ranks of the extremists and make useful suggestions likely to be taken less seriously.
The more devout the Christian, the better the man/woman they will be. The more devote the Muslim, the better terrorist they will be. Therein lies the problem.
17 major skirmishes going on in the world, 16 involve muslims NOT Christians, muslims. islam says Christ is a prophet, not the Son of God. Similiarities? Nonsense
I didn't even look. Good point.
Glad I didn't jump the gun and ping the zot list.
Islam is massive, over one billion people. It would be literally impossible to manipulate this huge 'religion' into a tool for terrorism unless the very basic tenets of mohamedism were sympathetic to the terrorists' cause. Terrorism stems from islam, which teaches hatred for the "infidel"; the two cannot reasonably be seperated, accept by the ignorant and the blind.
Thank you. I did check out your post. It was very informative and insightful.
The two biggest obstacles in moderating Islam are the terrorists and liberals. Both aim to convert Muslims into fanatics and jihadis, filled to the brim with insane hate. This accounts for stupid conspiracy theories regarding Jews and AMerica. And those they can't convert, they terrorize and ostracize into silence. Many Muslims here still have relatives back in places like Iran and Syria.
Come to think of it, there isn't any difference between the DU version of Sept. 11 and the brainwashed Muslims version.
It does sound like someone that's just confused.
Right because millions of people have never been fooled or coerced into committing evil.
bump
Good post in 15 also. But, it is about time to add into these explanations about the Nazi partnership with militant Islam. And the militant translations and influence used as control over the middle eastern people.
Heinrich Himmler and Abu Ali (<--Hitler)!
No, because one billion people have never been 'manipulated', (as the article stated), into butchering the members of every religion other than their own. And because islam has been at it for about 1,400 years and islamic "terrorism" is nothing new. Like I said, only the ignorant and the blind cannot see this reality.
"Great - get started. We're waiting."
Indeed. My "disdain for Islam" is based on reading the Koran.... Know your enemy.
Much like the NAZI party was twisted by those that interpreted it incorrectly and twisted it into a bad thing? Nonsense. The practitioners make Islam what it is. If they say its a death cult, then its a death cult. I'm not saying it calls for murdering nonbelievers, Muslims are saying this.
Islam is so similar to Christianity...
What rubbish. There is no need to look past the two religions' views on what Heaven is. In Islam it is a carnal playground of virgins and little boys. In Christianity it is a spiritual paradise.
The combination of the font and what you wrote cracked me up for some reason.
"I do think moderate Muslims need to visibly and vocally take back their faith from the extremists, however. "
The problem with this is that in order to do this, they have to make a new "faith". Islam at its heart is NOT peaceful in any way, shape, or form. The founder of Islam was a documented murdering maniac - and that's from Islamic sources. Unlike Christianity, Islam spread by the sword from the very beginning.
I'm afraid the terrorists here are the one's who understand Islam. The prevalence of Islamic charities funding jihad is in accord with Mohammad's teaching that those who do not actively want to fight (most moderates) can fund those who do.
Now, it's true that not all Muslims are terrorists - but they are one religous revival away from it.
"It does have serious problems, and these need to be dealt with by Muslims, noone else."
They desperately need a Reformation, but there is one massive stumbling block to it. Christians, for instance, believe that the Bible is divinely-inspired, but written by men. Muslims believe the Koran was directly dictated by Allah. No textural criticism of it is allowed.
"That being said, not all Muslims are terrorists, or sharia-advocating extremists, and pretending that all Muslims are like that is only likely to swell the ranks of the extremists and make useful suggestions likely to be taken less seriously."
So, it's our fault their Koran tells them to kill us? I trust you don't intend that result from your argument above. Read Sura 9.
"I'm not saying it calls for murdering nonbelievers, Muslims are saying this."
Actually, the Koran says that.
This is an idiotic statement and untrue. Christians condemn other Christians constantly if they murder or condone violence against others.
The majority of Christians would certainly sound off if some Christian organization started suicide bombing and committing other acts of terror. A case in point would be the IRA, a terrorist organization that was condemed by 90 percent of Christians world wide, and very vocally and openly. When is the last time muslims did anything but dance in the street when a Jew or Christian was killed by muslim terrorists?
Muslims all over the USA, and the rest of the world, danced and cheered on 9/11. Terrorists are 99 percent muslims and that says it all.
As for insulting islam, they need to be insulted, they are killing and murdering people all over the world in order to force their religion on other people and for no other reason, and the ones not actively killing are supporting it. If you think that doesn't warrent insults you are dumber even than you sound.
If they don't want their religion insulted, they should clean out the bad guys and show the world they can be moderate, the reason they don't is because they support the bad guys.
As for muslims being killed by other muslims, this has always happened among the different factions.
One more thing, when is the last time you heard of a Christian or Jew killing their daughter,wife or sister in an "honor" killing? Happens all the time with the peaceful muslims, doesn't it?
Two comments:
(1) The type of "Islam" that has been exported to the world by the Saudi oil money (funding "missionaries" and the building of mosques) is bent on violence and their cash has resulted in lots of converts to Muslim radicalism.
(2) Islam is in need of a "reformation" to purge it of some of its corrupt and ancient influences, just as has happened in the "Christian religions." It took some internal religious wars in Europe to remove the selling of injustices, to remove torture and execution of heretics, and to change a lot of things. Islam just needs to catch up to the age of enlightenment, so it can be tolerated by the rest of the modern world.
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