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Mother fights hospital to keep baby on life support (Terri's Legacy)
KTEN.com ^ | June 1, 2006 | Associated Press

Posted on 06/01/2006 7:20:27 AM PDT by 8mmMauser

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To: robertpaulsen
>> If by tracking tests you mean the balloon tracking the random movements of her eyes, yes

The movements were not random, no. Read Gimon's affidavit. Or, stay tuned. There will be more affidavits from medical professionals. We don't need to get our information from a blogger unfamiliar with Terri's medical history.

321 posted on 06/09/2006 11:09:10 AM PDT by T'wit (Due process: Two lawyers obfuscating the truth to the satisfaction of a bureaucrat in black robes.)
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To: T'wit
"He's very probably right, but even he doesn't know for sure."

So you have doubts. Fine. Why do you doubt his findings? What have you read or heard to make you doubt it? Please point out a link to what you've read that causes you to doubt his report.

" the discrepancy between cortical blindness at autopsy and observed visual capacity ... can be explained by the dehydration."

This was in the autopsy report? Where did you read this? Which doctor stated this? Who said that dehydration was the reason? I need a link to your proof.

"I stand by my point that nobody thought she was blind before her death."

But you now admit that she was blind. Which means those who said she could see were lying.

322 posted on 06/09/2006 11:26:13 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: T'wit
You just throw a whole bunch against the wall to see what sticks, don't you? You never answer my questions or even stay on topic. You change the topic to something else when you get stuck in a corner.

You character assasinate everyone involved. The Judge is blind and corrupt. There's no due process. Michael is a murderer. Cranford lies.

Now, in this post, Felos is a "death lawyer".

The facts of this case bother you, admit it. They go against all your evil gossip. I've pointed out your lies -- Michael never testified, or told Keith Olbermann, or told Larry King it was his idea. Three lies of yours right there that you've never addressed. You change topics, attacking someone else.

Also contribute the legal maximum to death judge's political campaign.

And I know you know exactly how much that "legal maximum" was. But you're embarrassed to say it aren't you? You'd rather leave it vague -- leave people guessing. It's so small, it's STUPID to say or imply anyone would possibly be influenced by such a sum.

Tell us how much Felos contributed.

323 posted on 06/09/2006 11:39:46 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: T'wit
"Read Gimon's affidavit"

I already did. He's not qualified and he never physically examined Terri.

"There will be more affidavits from medical professionals."

Hopefully, at least one of them is A) a medical doctor and B) has actually examined her. Don't bother linking me to any affidavit where the individual doesn't meet both those criteria.

324 posted on 06/09/2006 11:44:09 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
>> He's not qualified and he never physically examined Terri.

A PhD in neuropsychology is superbly qualified. That's not even debatable.

And, yes, actually he did physically examine Terri. Much medical examination, including internal, is done on camera. Have you ever had a colonoscopy and seen the results on TV? It ain't the doc in there examining.

>> Hopefully, at least one of them is A) a medical doctor and B) has actually examined her.

Many doctors examined her. They examined medical records as well as videographic material made available at an evidentiary hearing. This is a legitimate and medically ethical investigative method. Were it not, none could have submitted an affidavit without professional censure.

Remember who else looked at videos and made medical judgments from them? George Greer. Now there was a guy practicing medicine without a license, yet you held that up as the gospel truth. You can hardly complain about physicians and other medical specialists doing so with far more material and far better training.

325 posted on 06/09/2006 2:40:37 PM PDT by T'wit (Due process: Two lawyers obfuscating the truth to the satisfaction of a bureaucrat in black robes.)
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To: robertpaulsen
>> Why do you doubt his findings? What have you read or heard to make you doubt it? This was in the autopsy report? Where did you read this? Which doctor stated this?

Question, question, question, question, question. Answer your own questions.

326 posted on 06/09/2006 2:44:38 PM PDT by T'wit (Due process: Two lawyers obfuscating the truth to the satisfaction of a bureaucrat in black robes.)
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To: robertpaulsen
>> But you now admit that she was blind.

That's not true.

327 posted on 06/09/2006 2:45:26 PM PDT by T'wit (Due process: Two lawyers obfuscating the truth to the satisfaction of a bureaucrat in black robes.)
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To: robertpaulsen; admin
>> You just throw a whole bunch against the wall to see what sticks, don't you?

Take two martinis and call us in the morning.

328 posted on 06/09/2006 2:48:23 PM PDT by T'wit (Due process: Two lawyers obfuscating the truth to the satisfaction of a bureaucrat in black robes.)
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To: T'wit
"Answer your own questions."

OK. And I bet I'm very close to the truth.

Why do you doubt his findings?
T'wit: Because I don't want to believe them

What have you read or heard to make you doubt it?
T'wit: Absolutely nothing. (Other than gossip on the Terri-bot web sites.)

This was in the autopsy report?
T'wit: Not at all.

Where did you read this?
T'wit: Nowhere. I'm inventing this out of whole cloth because it's what I want to believe.

Which doctor stated this?
T'wit: Like I would rely on anything a real doctor had to say.

329 posted on 06/09/2006 2:57:20 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: 8mmMauser

Uh-oh. The author is going to catch hell from the rest of the Liberal Media Smart Set for not working in at least two mentions of the fact that the law in question was signed by then-governor George W. Bush.


330 posted on 06/09/2006 3:04:44 PM PDT by steve-b (Hoover Dam is every bit as "natural" as a beaver dam.)
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To: robertpaulsen; T'wit
T'wit: Also contribute the legal maximum to death judge's political campaign.

Robert Paulsen: And I know you know exactly how much that "legal maximum" was. But you're embarrassed to say it aren't you? You'd rather leave it vague -- leave people guessing. It's so small, it's STUPID to say or imply anyone would possibly be influenced by such a sum.

Tell us how much Felos contributed.

I have some doubts that you will actually get an answer to that question; however, if it is an honest answer, then it will also include acknowledgment that George Felos' campaign contribution to Judge Greer's 2004 reelection campaign was not the "legal maximum" that T'wit stated.

On 5/7/04, George Felos made a $250 contribution to Judge Greer's 2004 reelection campaign. This was .15%--that's one and one-half TENTH of one percent--of the total of $161,067.36 in cash contributions to Judge Greer's reelection campaign (additional "in kind" contributions were also received by the campaign).

The "legal maximum" contribution in Florida to the campaign is/was $500. While George Felos didn't make that level of contribution, 171 (23.1%) of the 739 persons making contributions to Judge Greer's 2004 reelection campaign did.

Summary:
--the "legal maximum" contribution was $500
--George Felos' contribution was $250

331 posted on 06/09/2006 3:07:24 PM PDT by zerelda
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To: T'wit
"A PhD in neuropsychology is superbly qualified."

He's a glorified psychologist, for crying out loud. There's no behavior for him to assess. Terri is PVS.

He may indeed be qualified, but not to evaluate Terri. And certainly not via a review of video tapes.

"And, yes, actually he did physically examine Terri."

He never got within 10 miles of her.

"This is a legitimate and medically ethical investigative method. Were it not, none could have submitted an affidavit without professional censure."

What type of doctor would submit an affidavit on a patient he's never even seen? Their affidavits and 10 cents will get you a cup of coffee.

332 posted on 06/09/2006 3:17:34 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: zerelda
Thank you for your thoughtful and complete post.

The Terri-bots would rather leave the amount of the contribution vague, thereby allowing them to imply that Felos "bought" Judge Greer -- without ever actually accusing him of that. It's a conspiracy, don't you know.

What possible good does it do to say that Felos contributed $250. to Greer's campaign? Who's going to think that piddly amount means anything?

333 posted on 06/09/2006 3:29:47 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
He never got within 10 miles of her. What type of doctor would submit an affidavit on a patient he's never even seen?

Oh my, how terrible that is, but what type of judge would submit a death order on an innocent person that he's never seen?

334 posted on 06/09/2006 3:40:01 PM PDT by bjs1779
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To: zerelda
On 5/7/04, George Felos made a $250 contribution to Judge Greer's 2004 reelection campaign.

I didn't actually know that, but it does seem to be improper that Greer would accept even 1 dollar with the case still at his disposal.

335 posted on 06/09/2006 3:46:00 PM PDT by bjs1779
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To: robertpaulsen
Thank you for your thoughtful and complete post.

You're welcome.

What possible good does it do to say that Felos contributed $250. to Greer's campaign? Who's going to think that piddly amount means anything?

I think the real question is: what possible good does it do (for anyone, regardless of their cause) to engage in such false statements and hyperbole, especially about such a completely meaningless statistic?

336 posted on 06/09/2006 3:47:17 PM PDT by zerelda
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To: robertpaulsen
The Terri-bots would rather leave the amount of the contribution vague, thereby allowing them to imply that Felos "bought" Judge Greer -- without ever actually accusing him of that.

Let's see if you can be less vague. How much did Greer get in 1998 and how much did he get in 2004?

337 posted on 06/09/2006 3:49:09 PM PDT by bjs1779
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To: robertpaulsen
He's not qualified and he never physically examined Terri.

I know, only the death doctors opinions count, and I know you got yourself covered when you call the other two that disagreed quacks. What's new? I still say you bear a striking resemblance to Judge Greer.

338 posted on 06/09/2006 3:59:18 PM PDT by bjs1779
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To: bjs1779
"Oh my, how terrible that is, but what type of judge would submit a death order on an innocent person that he's never seen?"

BWAHAHAHAHA!

If Judge Greer had even attempted to visit Terri you would have screamed bloody murder that he wasn't qualified to form a direct medical opinion.

And you would have been right.

339 posted on 06/09/2006 4:03:00 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
When I examine a patient in a vegetative state I talk to them and I always talk to them and I was trying to rouse her to get her to open her eyes and she did open her eyes and so arousal by itself means nothing. That means that her eyes open. That's perfectly consistent with a vegetative state."

Golly, I am going to keep my eyes closed when this happens to me.

340 posted on 06/09/2006 4:07:02 PM PDT by bjs1779
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