Posted on 04/24/2006 2:16:50 PM PDT by Perdogg
DURHAM, N.C. - The attorney for one of two Duke lacrosse players charged with raping a stripper demanded on Monday that prosecutors turn over the accuser’s medical, legal and education records for use in attacking her credibility.
Kirk Osborn, who represents player Reade Seligmann, said the material will provide “rich sources of information for impeaching the complaining witnesses.”
Osborn also asked a judge to hold a pretrial hearing to “determine if the complaining witness is even credible enough to provide reliable testimony.”
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Did the strippers arrive already in "strip" clothing, as in ready to perform? Or did they change/disrobe first? Do you know if this has been clarified?
Otherwise, I don't understand the "girls going into the bathroom to put their clothes on" comment.
It appears that Kim arrived in jeans and some sort of top, perhaps a sleeveless white sweater, while the AV arrived in her stripper clothes.
I say this based on the cab driver Mostafa's account of seeing a woman dressed in jeans and a sweater (undoubtedly Kim) walk out from around the house and get into the driver's side of the car in front of the house, while arguing loudly with the boys. And if you look at the photo of the AV loaded into the car at 12:41, the driver appears to me to be wearing a white top with no sleeves.
Also, the neighbor Bissey said he saw the two women walk into the house when they arrived, one dressed conservatively (must be Kim in her jeans) and the other wearing a short skirt (must be the AV).
So I don't know whether the AV needed to put any additional clothes on after the show was over, but it appears that Kim needed to, and presumably both of the women had taken off at least part of their strip outfits when they started to perform, or it was a pretty lame strip show indeed.
If this gets dismissed I want a civil suit against the DA, Durham Police, Mangum, Roberts etc. This cannot go unpunished - to not do so will set another racial precedent/preference.
I will gladly donate $.
Thank you very much.
Yep. I also look forward to seeing Nifong, et al, examined under oath.
I'm starting to think the prospect of such a lawsuit is what is motivating him to keep pursuing this case, seemingly against all reason. If/when he drops the case, the defense is going to pounce.
By this point your question is kind of rhetorical, wouldn't you say?
As usual, you apply your formidable analytical skills in the fair-minded search for the truth of the thing!
I, also, have a growing discomfort with this witness although I have, as here, continued to tend to accept his statements, as the MSM has, with credulity. My bad.
Geeze another one bites the credibility dust! Remember her ex-husband (but not the father of her child) getting on t.v. and telling the world that she NEVER drank? He went as far to say that on their wedding night wine or champaigne was served and she wouldn't even take a sip....
All of these folks need to shut up. Every lie they tell backfires when the truth comes out. This is just the beginning if she decides to participate in the trial.
What could they possibly get access to there?
I don't think it would be easy to access those kinds of records. Maybe there is information pertaining to previous claims of sexual assault? That was my first thought.
I have a feeling that the AV will drop this and refuse to cooperate. She can use the "death threats" as an excuse.
I don't think the players will settle for that.
Does the name imply that she might have been a "victim" before? I'm not familiar with that group.
I know I wouldn't settle for that. The problem is that she's gotten away with so much already, that I'm having a hard time seeing her get any punishment. Can the DA go ahead without her? Not that I really want that either, but since it's gone so far, I want the players cleared in public, in a court of law.
I do want some accountability from those two "dancers".
I think these groups deal with crime victims. I'm not too familiar with them myself. If she's screamed rape before, it might be useful for the defense, but it might backfire.
What could they possibly get access to there?
Sorry to take so long to reply. My thoughts were the same as TheSpottedOwl, i.e. previous reports of the same nature from the AV.
In our Yellow Pages these organizations are listed under Crisis Intervention Service and if names are any indicator deal predominently with domestic abuse and sexual assualt. Hotlines and Safe houses for the most part.
Wouldn't such information be held confidential? We have to take all clients under consideration when requesting this type of sensitive information.
I wish that woman would just come clean. Both of them.
That's why the defense is asking for a subpoena. They must have some prior knowledge of the specifics or a judge should deny the request as a fishing expedition. Although if the prosecutor can DNA test an entire team it seems fair to let the defense browse through all of these agencies' records.
Thanks for clearing that up. There is just so much to sift through in this case, but you explained this part of this very well. Think the defense will be granted a subpeona?
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