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2nd Duke party dancer now questions doubts about accuser
Daily Comet & AP ^ | April 21, 2006 | ALLEN G. BREED

Posted on 04/21/2006 12:56:01 AM PDT by OakOak

Edited on 04/21/2006 2:52:00 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

At first, a stripper who performed at a Duke University lacrosse team party doubted the story of a colleague who told police she was dragged into a bathroom and raped.

Now, Kim Roberts isn't so sure.

"I was not in the bathroom when it happened, so I can't say a rape occurred - and I never will," Roberts told The Associated Press Thursday in her first on-the-record interview. But after watching defense attorneys release photos of the accuser, and upset by the leaking of both dancers' criminal pasts, she said she has to "wonder about their character."

"In all honesty, I think they're guilty," she said. "And I can't say which ones are guilty ... but somebody did something besides underage drinking. That's my honest-to-God impression."

Attorneys for the 46 players have aggressively proclaimed the players' innocence, citing DNA tests during a public campaign that has included describing and releasing photos from the party.

Those photos, the defense maintains, show the accuser was both injured and impaired when she arrived, and also support the claim that one of the two players who has been indicted would not have had enough time to participate in any assault before he left the party. The district attorney has said he also hopes to charge a third suspect in the case.

The attorneys claim Roberts at first told a member of the defense team that she did not believe the accuser's allegations. They say she has changed her story to gain favorable treatment in a criminal case against her. They note she also e-mailed a New York public relations firm, asking in her letter for advice on "how to spin this to my advantage."

"We believe ... her story has been motivated by her own self-interest," said attorney Bill Thomas, who represents one of the uncharged players. "I think that a jury will ultimately have to decide the question of her credibility."

Roberts, 31, was arrested on March 22 - eight days after the party - on a probation violation from a 2001 conviction for embezzling $25,000 from a photofinishing company in Durham where she was a payroll specialist, according to documents obtained by the AP.

On Monday, the same day a grand jury indicted lacrosse players Reade Seligmann and Collin Finnerty, a judge agreed to a change so that Roberts would no longer have to pay a 15 percent fee to a bonding agent. District Attorney Mike Nifong signed a document saying he would not oppose the change.

"It seems she is receiving very favorable financial treatment for what she is now saying," Thomas said.

Mark Simeon, Roberts' attorney, said the bond conditions were changed because Roberts is not considered a flight risk. Nifong, who hasn't spoken with reporters about the case in weeks, didn't return a call seeking comment.

Roberts' testimony could be vital during any trial of the two sophomores, indicted on charges of first-degree rape, sexual offense and kidnapping.

Other than lacrosse players and the accuser, a 27-year-old student at a nearby university, Roberts is believed to be the only other person at the March 13 party.

Roberts said Thursday she does not remember Seligmann's face, but said she recalls seeing Finnerty - whom she described as the "little skinny one."

"I was looking him right in the eyes," she said.

Although she would not talk extensively about the party, she confirmed some of what the other dancer told police - including that the women initially left the party after one of the players threatened to sodomize the women with a broomstick.

The players' attorneys have said their clients were angry and demanded a refund when the women stopped dancing, but Roberts disputed that.

"They ripped themselves off when they started hollering about a broomstick," she said.

The accuser told police that the women were coaxed back into the house with an apology, at which point they were separated. That's when she said she was dragged into a bathroom and raped, beaten and choked for a half hour.

Later, police received a 911 call from a woman complaining that she had been called racial slurs by white men gathered outside the home where the party took place. The defense has said it believes the second dancer at the party made that call.

Roberts then drove the accuser - whom she reportedly had just met that night - to a grocery store and asked a security guard to call 911. The accuser was described later by a police officer as "just passed-out drunk."

The defense timeline is backed up by a cab driver who said Seligmann called for a ride at 12:14 a.m., and was picked up five minutes later. The defense argues that if the dancers were performing around midnight, Seligmann would not have had enough time to participate in the 30-minute assault described by the accuser.

The cabbie, Moez Mostafa, also said he saw a woman leaving the party in anger, and overheard someone say, "She just a stripper. She's going to call the police."

"She looked, like, mad," he said of the woman. "In her face, the way she walked, the way she talked, she looked like mad."

On Thursday, authorities released warrants detailing their search earlier this week of Finnerty's dorm room. Seized during the search were a newspaper article and an envelope addressed to Finnerty.

Also Thursday, 5W Public Relations, a New York firm that specializes in "crisis communication," distributed an e-mail signed "The 2nd Dancer," and Roberts confirmed she sent it after learning the AP knew her identity.

"I've found myself in the center of one of the biggest stories in the country," she wrote. "I'm worried about letting this opportunity pass me by without making the best of it and was wondering if you had any advice as to how to spin this to my advantage."

Ronn Torossian, 5W's president, said he replied, but got no response.

"If this person is indeed who they say they are, I would be happy to speak with her," said Torossian, whose firm has represented the likes of Sean "Diddy" Combs, Ice Cube and Lil' Kim.

Roberts, like the accuser a divorced single mother who is black, took umbrage at the notion that she should not try to make something out of her experience. She's worried that once her name and criminal record are public, no one will want to hire her.

"Why shouldn't I profit from it?" she asked. "I didn't ask to be in this position ... I would like to feed my daughter."

Roberts is bracing for an all-out attack, but said she's almost past caring.

"Don't forget that they called me a damn n####," she said. "She (the accuser) was passed out in the car. She doesn't know what she was called. I was called that. I can never forget that."


BLOCKBUSTER !! KIM's a GEM !!

Roberts, 31, was arrested on March 22 - eight days after the party - on a probation violation from a 2001 conviction for embezzling $25,000 from a photofinishing company in Durham where she was a payroll specialist, according to documents obtained by the AP.


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KEYWORDS: da; dancer; duke; dukelax; durham; lacrosse; lax; rape
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To: sissyjane
>>You are so new around here. You have absolutely NO ground to stand on!!

You're actually on very thin ice. You've been asked repeatedly to provide links for your supposed inside information.
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With respect, sisyjane, unless you have watched this from the beginning it's hard to appreciate the skill that Oak Oak has shown. It's amazing that s/he has survived.

There is no way on earth this is a new person. I remember the thread where someone first suggested OakOak was here to troll. Before that OakOak and Howlin were taking more or less the same side in the thread. I and a couple of other people were in disagreement with Howlin and Oak in the majority.

Howlin posted something like "the people suspicious of Oak may have a point."

Oak spun 180 degrees immediately and went relentlessly after Howlin (who wan't nearly the person most critical of Oak) trying to encourage others to join in and the said s/he wouldn't be posting for a while due to work requirements.

I would bet my car (based on experience running BBSs back to the 70's) that Oak is a experienced, senior returning board member with a personal history of conflict with Howlin.
881 posted on 04/21/2006 12:55:44 PM PDT by gondramB (You can always tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs - Country music saying)
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To: Carolinamom
Ad for Nancy Grace's show tonight says she is going to have info on the Latest suspect.

LOL! The latest "theoretical" suspect, more like it. I get a mental picture of NG in one side of the screen with a silhouette of a generic person on the other with a giant question mark in it. There's your graphic for twenty minutes. (Interrupted forty times by the 10-second clip of the two guys getting out of the Sherriff's car Monday morning.)

The only thing that can possibly said or even speculated about "the latest suspect" is that Nifong has said that there might be one eventually. "You are entering another dimension..."

Shopping list: (1) tinfoil (2) more booze (3) extra cooling fins for TV set (4) floor mat for in front of TV to catch NG's spittle (5) call soundproofing contractor so neighbors don't hear me laughing my ass off

882 posted on 04/21/2006 12:55:51 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Carolinamom

Yes, they better hurry!


883 posted on 04/21/2006 12:56:12 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin

Sorry, just realized I should have courtesy pinged you on the post above.


884 posted on 04/21/2006 12:56:38 PM PDT by gondramB (You can always tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs - Country music saying)
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To: Warren_Piece

I should not laugh, but I did.


885 posted on 04/21/2006 12:56:41 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (GOP, The Other France)
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To: xsmommy

We can always count on him.

I guess that's why he's not on Greta's show, since she's zeroing in on guilty.


886 posted on 04/21/2006 12:57:04 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: LWalk18
Oh, puleeze.

I've seen far too numerous cases in my past, to take your post in anything but a humorous vein, LWalk18. Whoever makes the "accusation" must have some solid grounds for doing so.

In this case, the first stripper was banged up "consistent with rape".

887 posted on 04/21/2006 12:57:07 PM PDT by Alia
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To: wagglebee

If he even wins the election.


888 posted on 04/21/2006 12:57:27 PM PDT by snarkytart
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To: jiggyboy

To do before 7 am CDT: 1.75 liter of gin....


889 posted on 04/21/2006 12:57:27 PM PDT by abb (Because News Reporting is too important to be left to the Journalists.)
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To: Howlin
LabCorp doesn't lose samples. It is one of the most prestigous labs in this country. LabCorp's doing the second DNA test? Off to Burlington, NC.
890 posted on 04/21/2006 12:57:31 PM PDT by Swanks
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To: pepperhead
If there is only one coming forward. How come there isn't other charges on the rest of the team for withholding information?

Because the 'dancers' and the D.A. don't have a clue who was actually there?

891 posted on 04/21/2006 12:57:43 PM PDT by Krodg
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To: jiggyboy

LOLOLOLOLOL!!!! Good Ones! I needed all these laughs...thanks a million!


892 posted on 04/21/2006 12:58:44 PM PDT by Carolinamom (Daily legal immigrant to FreeRepublic.com)
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To: LWalk18

The Pro Bono was designed for those WHO "couldn't" pay for their own lawyers. I know this. I also know how it works "under the radar" on the west coast. Maybe that is not true for the east? And I guess you've tried using pro bono lawyers, having fit first in the "low-income" category which seems to always be shifting on the bar?


893 posted on 04/21/2006 12:59:08 PM PDT by Alia
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To: gondramB

I've thought the very same thing.

Thanks.


894 posted on 04/21/2006 12:59:59 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Carolinamom

Abrams on ...


895 posted on 04/21/2006 1:00:16 PM PDT by maggief ( ... and YOU know what I'm talkin' about.)
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To: gondramB

Thanks.


896 posted on 04/21/2006 1:00:40 PM PDT by sissyjane (Don't be stuck on stupid!)
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To: Law is not justice but process
Even a DNA match might not salvage it if the jury does not believe the accuser when she says it was rape. The defendants could still get up and argue it was consensual or sex for pay.

If she just went into their bathroom, there's a high probability of inadvertantly collecting DNA, through hairs on the sink or floor or "splatters" on the floor or commode. I'm the mother of boys, and I'm always on their case to clean up their bathroom. Imagine the bathroom of a bunch of college boys out from under a mother's nagging.

If they find ANY of the boys' DNA ANYWHERE on her skin or clothing, it still doesn't automatically indicate a rape. The boys' DNA was all over that house, from the furniture to the carpet to the bathroom.

897 posted on 04/21/2006 1:01:02 PM PDT by shezza (God bless our military heroes)
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To: Howlin

well she had him on there last week, because that's where i saw him. he acted like the case was laughable. it always sort of gives me a guilty shiver when i end up on the same side as him!


898 posted on 04/21/2006 1:01:34 PM PDT by xsmommy
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To: sissyjane

One other thing, if someone is cooperating with the DA, why was their only 2 people indited when 3 did the act.


899 posted on 04/21/2006 1:01:48 PM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: snarkytart

She said Reade stood behind her; Collin stood in front of her and forced her to have oral sex.

They flashed the photos of the TEAM on a screen for one minute each!

Damn.

She is 100 percent certain about the two indicted.


This is all from Abrams' show!


900 posted on 04/21/2006 1:02:23 PM PDT by Howlin
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