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Posted on 12/20/2005 10:55:40 PM PST by Mo1



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To: null and void

pots of what ?


1,221 posted on 12/30/2005 10:41:02 AM PST by Darlin' ("I will not forget this wound to my country." President George W Bush, 20 Sept 2001)
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To: Darlin'; landshark

No. We would have recognized him as the one wearing the parka and snowshoes


1,222 posted on 12/30/2005 10:43:30 AM PST by catpuppy
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To: Darlin'

Parents Over The Shoulder.


1,223 posted on 12/30/2005 10:44:08 AM PST by null and void (A fanatic is one who won't change his mind and won't change the subject - Churchill)
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To: catpuppy

The latest in "Shark Attire". LOL


1,224 posted on 12/30/2005 10:44:32 AM PST by Darlin' ("I will not forget this wound to my country." President George W Bush, 20 Sept 2001)
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To: Darlin'
Good question. Contraband? Illegal plants*? Ripple?

*except in California and certain other blue states

1,225 posted on 12/30/2005 10:45:22 AM PST by catpuppy
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To: null and void

FOFL... How could I have not known that ?


1,226 posted on 12/30/2005 10:45:42 AM PST by Darlin' ("I will not forget this wound to my country." President George W Bush, 20 Sept 2001)
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To: null and void

Ohhhhhhhhhh!


1,227 posted on 12/30/2005 10:46:14 AM PST by catpuppy
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To: catpuppy

uh, check #1223... You and I are just not savvy enough to understand internet shorthand....


1,228 posted on 12/30/2005 10:49:31 AM PST by Darlin' ("I will not forget this wound to my country." President George W Bush, 20 Sept 2001)
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To: Mo1; catpuppy; Letitring; sweetliberty; Servant of the 9; Lakeshark; yall
Tony Snow is right on the mark with this column.

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Time for the President to call their bluff
By Tony Snow, Dec 30, 2005

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The White House Social Office needs to note right now, before anybody has a chance to forget, that it really must send flowers, chocolates and wall-sized Christmas cards (um, holiday cards) next year to James Risen and Eric Lichtblau of The New York Times.

The intrepid duo saved the Bush presidency recently by breaking news that the National Security Agency has been conducting surveillance of al-Qaida operatives abroad and their minions in the United States. The reporters noted that the agency monitored phone calls, e-mails and other electronic communications by means of sophisticated eavesdropping devices and even more sophisticated computers that can pick out known terrorists' vocal patterns while monitoring words and phrases that may refer to terrorist acts and targets.

This is hardly new. "Signals intelligence" has been the rage among intelligence communities for some time. CBS reported in 2000 on the Echelon program, a joint effort involving the United States and its four chief English-speaking allies to monitor every electronic communication on Earth. Presidents Carter, Reagan, Clinton and Bush 43 each authorized the use of such surveillance (without bench warrants) in cases involving national security.

The Times pushed the story furiously, and its editorial page inveighed gravely against the president. A handful of Democrats cited the reportage in demanding the president's ouster, while purveyors of Beltway Conventional Wisdom declared "impeachment" the word of 2006.

Yet as opponents grimaced and gathered, curious and unexpected things happened. The president's poll ratings rose, as did public support for the supposedly controversial operation.

This confluence of events works not only to the president's advantage, it fits his political style. When pushed, George W. Bush doesn't like to play smash-mouth. He prefers the poker stratagem of calling people's bluffs.

He did it in proposing his tax cuts. He did it in seeking authorization for the war. And now, he can perform his biggest bluff-call yet.

To understand why, consider a few observations:

-- A president ought to do whatever is necessary and proper to defend American citizens from terrorists.

-- A president has constitutional authority to approve warrantless searches of known and credible terror suspects, especially when he puts in place procedures that allow all three branches of government to oversee the operation.

-- Intelligence failures permitted al-Qaida to pull off not only the Sept. 11 attacks, but also a series of assaults before and after, including the bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania; the attack on the USS Cole; the Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia; slaughters in the Madrid and London subways; and hotel massacres in Jordan and Bali.

-- Signals intelligence and data mining have almost unparalleled potential for exposing terror networks and complicating the work of would-be mass murderers.

Given these statements of the obvious, the president ought to open his State of the Union Address by asking Congress to give him official authority to approve warrantless searches of known and identified terrorists, or of people in regular contact with those terrorists whom authorities reasonably suspect of plotting to commit acts of murder, terror or sabotage. These activities ought to be subject to monthly review by the attorney general. The administration also ought to be required each month to brief the top four congressional leaders, both intelligence committees and the head of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

The proposal would codify the status quo -- but shorten the reporting periods to 30 days from 45 -- and place the impeachment crowd in a sticky situation. The public would support both proposals overwhelmingly, leaving the president's most hysterical critics isolated utterly.

Note who has not spoken against the NSA program since the Times story broke. The list includes Harry Reid and Dick Durbin in the Senate; Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer in the House; and members of both intelligence committees. In other words, Democrats in the know either have supported the surveillance program or just kept their mouths shut.

A straightforward vote would shut up the rest, highlighting vividly the gulf that separates a president responsible for national security from critics responsible to nobody. Civil libertarians are right to fret about abuses of government power, which is why successive administrations have brought Congress, the courts and the Justice Department into the review process. But the Great Bluff-Caller is right about an even more fundamental point: If we try to fight the war on terror with eyes shut and ears packed with wax, innocent people will die.

1,229 posted on 12/30/2005 10:54:19 AM PST by Darlin' ("I will not forget this wound to my country." President George W Bush, 20 Sept 2001)
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To: Darlin'

Tony's a great thinker, reporter, interviewer, writer, talk radio host and TV personality. I don't know of anyone else who is so skilled in all of those things.


1,230 posted on 12/30/2005 11:12:11 AM PST by catpuppy
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To: catpuppy

You forgot that he is one of the real good guys, too. :)


1,231 posted on 12/30/2005 11:25:06 AM PST by Darlin' ("I will not forget this wound to my country." President George W Bush, 20 Sept 2001)
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To: Darlin'

Yep.


1,232 posted on 12/30/2005 11:50:23 AM PST by catpuppy
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To: Letitring; Mo1; catpuppy; Servant of the 9; FixedandDilated; Lakeshark; grannie9; sweetliberty; ...
Gotta go..... BBL, I hope... if not,

Happy New Year everybody ! It is my sincerest hope that 2006 brings health, happiness and untold blessings to each and every one of you.

1,233 posted on 12/30/2005 12:49:57 PM PST by Darlin' ("I will not forget this wound to my country." President George W Bush, 20 Sept 2001)
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To: Darlin'; catpuppy; restornu; Cardhu; All

What a great piece by Tony. You know why I believe the way that I do about the President? Allllll the good guys are on his side. Pick one that is against him, and would you ever want to call that one a friend?

Would you ever want to have even one of them protecting you and your family? Not me... not in a million years.

I'll stick with Rush, Tony, Krauthamer(sp), Brit Hume et al. Those are my kind of people, and I respect them. ;)


1,234 posted on 12/30/2005 12:50:02 PM PST by grannie9 (Between slobs, dogs, and Englishmen, I'm always in hot water.)
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To: grannie9

That is an excellant point. Never thought about it like that but you are so right.


1,235 posted on 12/30/2005 12:52:19 PM PST by Darlin' ("I will not forget this wound to my country." President George W Bush, 20 Sept 2001)
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To: grannie9

Well said, gran.


1,236 posted on 12/30/2005 2:39:26 PM PST by catpuppy
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To: Darlin'

Thank you for this report

Happy New Years!:)


1,237 posted on 12/30/2005 2:46:19 PM PST by restornu
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To: phantomworker
So now he might start showing up in the toilet bowl water?

One could activate a water pill if that happens!

LOL

1,238 posted on 12/30/2005 2:52:59 PM PST by restornu
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To: restornu

Plop, plop.
Fizz, fizz...


1,239 posted on 12/30/2005 2:58:33 PM PST by null and void (A fanatic is one who won't change his mind and won't change the subject - Churchill)
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To: restornu

LOL!


1,240 posted on 12/30/2005 3:03:07 PM PST by phantomworker (It is no good to try to stop knowledge from going forward. Ignorance is never better than knowledge.)
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